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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    I didn't attack you. I know this may confuse you, but just bolding certain parts of my post doesn't mean the rest of it doesn't actually exist.

    My statement was clear. I asked for you to either show PROOF that its only NOW that they criticize Obama that Hautey finds them ignorant but he DIDN'T find them ignorant when they did it to Bush....OR....admit that you're basing it off of nothing but an ASSUMPTION, which, if that is the case, then you shouldn't have an issue with someone also making the ASSUMPTION that you would complain about and insult these kids if the situation was reversed as well.

    If you have proof that Hautey has in the past said that kids weren't ignorant when they questioned Bush's economic policy, then all is fine. Please present it. A link? A quote? Something?

    If not, you admit to just doing it off nothing but an assumption...which is fine, you're free to make assumptions. Everyone is. I just find it rather hypocritical of you to make such an assumption when the exact opposite of said assumption could apply to you. EVERYTHING you could point at to make the assumption that Hautey would've agreed with these kids if it was Bush would have some kind of equal by yourself that could point at you criticizing them for doing it.

    This has nothing to do with me "covering" for Hautey or "Carrying his water". I actually agree with your assumption, I don't think Hautey would've came out criticizing the kids if it was Bush but more likely would've said how even inexperienced high school kids can see through Bush's BS. I'm not arguing about your assumption.

    I'm saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Criticizing another poster based on nothing but an assumption of how they WOULD'VE acted, when its a very good assumption YOU would've acted akin to how they are now if the situation was reversed, is a ****ty argument.

    Can I be hypocritical at times? Yes, definitely. Everyone is. No human is not hypocritical. That doesn't mean its okay, it doesn't mean it can't be pointed out in debate, it doesn't mean it can't be highlighted when others do it. And I, unlike you, actually attempt to be intellectually honest on my comments and points about people and topics when I debate to try and AVOID being hypocritical.

    I know this may be realllllllly difficult for you to understand, so please track with me. People who disagree with part of your premise, doesn't mean they support the other person. People who think you're making a ****ty debate point doesn't mean they agree with the other persons debate point. People pointing out that your complaining about something based on assumption when the same could be applied to you is hypocritical and worthless does not necessarily mean they disagree with that assumption. And people who are not hyperpartisan, talking point spewing, rabid conservatives that (god forbid it) the almighty Truth Detector doesn't consider to be a "real conservative" doesn't make them "Moderate".

    Now, do you see my point? Instead of addressing Hautey's point, you decided to verge into a a baseless hypocritical assumption that doesn't in any way negate or deflect his point and you have no basis, at all, to get on a soap box against him for it.

    But surprise surprise, this one's partially my fault. I Fell for your ****ty ass bait when you decided to verge away from the conversation to instead just make a sarcastic little jape against Hautey to try to distract things from the actual topic. My fault, please, go back to your mindless prattling on, please.

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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I didn't attack you. I know this may confuse you, but just bolding certain parts of my post doesn't mean the rest of it doesn't actually exist.

    My statement was clear. I asked for you to either show PROOF that its only NOW that they criticize Obama that Hautey finds them ignorant but he DIDN'T find them ignorant when they did it to Bush....OR....admit that you're basing it off of nothing but an ASSUMPTION, which, if that is the case, then you shouldn't have an issue with someone also making the ASSUMPTION that you would complain about and insult these kids if the situation was reversed as well.

    If you have proof that Hautey has in the past said that kids weren't ignorant when they questioned Bush's economic policy, then all is fine. Please present it. A link? A quote? Something?

    If not, you admit to just doing it off nothing but an assumption...which is fine, you're free to make assumptions. Everyone is. I just find it rather hypocritical of you to make such an assumption when the exact opposite of said assumption could apply to you. EVERYTHING you could point at to make the assumption that Hautey would've agreed with these kids if it was Bush would have some kind of equal by yourself that could point at you criticizing them for doing it.

    This has nothing to do with me "covering" for Hautey or "Carrying his water". I actually agree with your assumption, I don't think Hautey would've came out criticizing the kids if it was Bush but more likely would've said how even inexperienced high school kids can see through Bush's BS. I'm not arguing about your assumption.

    I'm saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Criticizing another poster based on nothing but an assumption of how they WOULD'VE acted, when its a very good assumption YOU would've acted akin to how they are now if the situation was reversed, is a ****ty argument.

    Can I be hypocritical at times? Yes, definitely. Everyone is. No human is not hypocritical. That doesn't mean its okay, it doesn't mean it can't be pointed out in debate, it doesn't mean it can't be highlighted when others do it. And I, unlike you, actually attempt to be intellectually honest on my comments and points about people and topics when I debate to try and AVOID being hypocritical.

    I know this may be realllllllly difficult for you to understand, so please track with me. People who disagree with part of your premise, doesn't mean they support the other person. People who think you're making a ****ty debate point doesn't mean they agree with the other persons debate point. People pointing out that your complaining about something based on assumption when the same could be applied to you is hypocritical and worthless does not necessarily mean they disagree with that assumption. And people who are not hyperpartisan, talking point spewing, rabid conservatives that (god forbid it) the almighty Truth Detector doesn't consider to be a "real conservative" doesn't make them "Moderate".

    Now, do you see my point? Instead of addressing Hautey's point, you decided to verge into a a baseless hypocritical assumption that doesn't in any way negate or deflect his point and you have no basis, at all, to get on a soap box against him for it.

    But surprise surprise, this one's partially my fault. I Fell for your ****ty ass bait when you decided to verge away from the conversation to instead just make a sarcastic little jape against Hautey to try to distract things from the actual topic. My fault, please, go back to your mindless prattling on, please.
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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    Is this the "Who's the real conservative?" thread?
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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    I'm sorry...American's post literally made me laugh out loud. Well done

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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    Democrat4life:

    Remember this?
    Remember who?

    I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies.
    We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration.

    That's the spirit.
    I'm participating.

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    Dobson students question Obama's plan | Mesa Arizona News - Mesa News - Mesa AZ news | eastvalleytribune.com
    DRUDGE REPORT: STUDENTS QUESTION OBAMA'S PLAN 2009®


    Whoops!
    I think he expected a bunch of soft targets.

    Too bad they didn't get to ask questions.
    They surely would have been harder hitting than The Lapdog Patrol that slobberingly follows Obama from town to town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat4life View Post
    Can you ever not agree with Obama without insulting him, i mean really. grow up people.
    Hey... where do I insult Obama here?

    I insult the press... but Obama?
    Did I write something in invisible ink that only you can read?

    As for insulting and bashing Obama:

    We're only in the first month. We've barely made contact with the pinata named Obama.
    It's only going to get more intense from here on.
    Where we get to pile on and really attack the stupidity of his and his party of Tax Cheats, Perjurers, Swindlers... in other words... Marxists. Or... good Modern Democrats.

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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I didn't attack you. I know this may confuse you, but just bolding certain parts of my post doesn't mean the rest of it doesn't actually exist.
    Your admirable essay and desperate contortions aside, here is the reality you continue to avoid:

    My comments were directed at Hatuey, not you.

    Yes, I assumed that based on Hatuey’s past rabid hyper partisan posts, he was complaining about these High School students because they impugned his President. He didn’t feel compelled to argue the FACTS these students made; he chose to impugn their views by suggesting, much like you, that they are too young, too inexperienced aka too dumb to have political opinions that mattered.

    As bizarre and absurd as that argument is, you jumped in and selectively chose to attack me for my comments to Hatuey and proceeded with your usual nonsensical banal and idiotic tirade about partisan comments and ASSUMPTIONS about how I MIGHT have reacted had the shoe been on the other foot.

    You can write all the essays you want attempting to rationalize your idiotic attempt to attack me, but the FACT remains that your SELECTIVE outrage at my comments to Hatuey were indeed an attack.

    What is more fascinating about your absurd remarks are the following admissions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This has nothing to do with me "covering" for Hautey or "Carrying his water". I actually agree with your assumption, I don't think Hautey would've came out criticizing the kids if it was Bush but more likely would've said how even inexperienced high school kids can see through Bush's BS. I'm not arguing about your assumption.
    Fascinating, so you agree with my assumptions, but felt compelled to ASSUME that because you THINK I MIGHT have POSSIBLY done the same thing, I am being hypocritical.

    Good lord, how old are you, four?

    The following is your piece de resistance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If you have proof that Hautey has in the past said that kids weren't ignorant when they questioned Bush's economic policy, then all is fine. Please present it. A link? A quote? Something?

    If not, you admit to just doing it off nothing but an assumption...which is fine, you're free to make assumptions. Everyone is. I just find it rather hypocritical of you to make such an assumption when the exact opposite of said assumption could apply to you.
    Why would I need proof? It was an “assertion” based on Hatueys past rabid hyper partisan behavior.

    So please, step down off that high horse of yours and your selective outrage at your ASSUMPTION that I MIGHT have done the same thing IF the shoe were on the OTHER foot.

    You won’t find any inconsistencies in my postings. Unlike Hatuey, had there been a bunch of Liberal students criticizing Bush, instead of saying they were just a bunch of DUMB, INEXPERIENCED students as you and he seem to be doing, I would have taken their arguments apart, not attacked the messengers.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your desperate rationalizations and contortions trying to explain why your selective attacks on me even remotely make sense.

    Good lord, you have to stand on your head with a finger up your butt to make sense out of this essay.

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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies.
    We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration.
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    Re: Students Question Obama's Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Good lord, you have to stand on your head with a finger up your butt to make sense out of this essay.
    That's pretty specific, man. Is that what you did while reading his post? If so, you may want to keep that to yourself in the future in the interest of privacy and not wanting to make everyone sick with your weird sex fetishes.

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