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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What part of "I disagree" do you not understand? Does "I disagree" say anything about disclosure obligations specifically? Or does it perhaps say that one DISAGREES with them?

    And even if, IF, he started smoking before labels were put on cigs, he STILL continued to smoke LONG after the health effects were common knowledge and he was advised with each purchase of the ill effects of smoking.

    I have no sympathy. And neither should the tobacco company and most certainly not our courts.
    Well they do. And I do, too. Obviously, 12 other people did, too.

    And I am far from some anti-smoking nazi.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, HE bought a product that the tobacco companies hid the effects of. Addiction is not something you just toss out like a plastic fork.

    Now that we know the effects of tobacco and it's addictive qualities, I would have no sympathy for anyone who starts smoking. However, that isn't the case for an entire generation that were duped.


    Thank you.

    I started smoking when I was very young....nine years old (1973). I just rode my bike down to the WigWam plaza/Eagle Lodge and bought smokes out of the machine.

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    Addiction is horrible and I'm with Jallman all the way on this one. The knowledge that adults have now...not to mention stupid nine year olds is much different. The world is different place and the knowledge base is much larger. The laws are stricter. The dangers are posted everywhere, including the classrooms.

    It wasn't always that way.



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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post


    Thank you.

    I started smoking when I was very young....nine years old (1973). I just rode my bike down to the WigWam plaza/Eagle Lodge and bought smokes out of the machine.

    No biggie at the time. I was cool.
    Hot ****--know it all--when you're nine.

    Addiction is horrible and I'm with Jallman all the way on this one. The knowledge that adults have now...not to mention stupid nine year olds is much different. The world is different place and the knowledge base is much larger. The laws are stricter. The dangers are posted everywhere, including the classrooms.

    It wasn't always that way.

    I didn't even think about the fact that kids used to be able to buy cigs with no problem. In fact, the marketing to kids, specifically, is deplorable in hindsight. Joe Camel, candy cigarettes...it's just...no, I think the tobacco companies should be paying out the ass for what they did then. As I said, no sympathy for someone who starts smoking now or even started 15 years ago.

    Being that we grew up on a tobacco farm, I imagine my dad is rolling in his grave hearing me say this, though.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Interesting enough responses in this thread that makes me want to comment on something:

    One side calls the other "Libs" in disdain. The other side yells back Conservative as if it is a dirty word. But, in this thread, in which I have taken a Conservative position, I have a Conservative (Jallman) who has an honest disagreement with me, along with a Liberal (aps) who agrees with me.

    Not everything is cut and dried where everyone can be placed into a cubbyhole that describes them. In fact, most people, whether they call themselves Liberals or Conservatives, do have an opposite opinion or two, supporting positions of the other side of the aisle on some issues.

    Just might be something for a few people in this forum to think about before demonizing someone as a Lib or a Con, as if those are supposed to be dirty words.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well they do. And I do, too. Obviously, 12 other people did, too.

    And I am far from some anti-smoking nazi.
    And I think the 12 other people are idiots. As are any people who allow fools to win stupid lawsuits like this one. Or even the lifejacket one I mentioned. The fact that 12 people agreed with the stupidity doesn't make it any less stupid. It also doesn't make it any less of a dangerous precedent to have in our court system.

    As someone with an addiction who DID just "toss it away like a plastic fork", I have no sympathy for someone who continues smoking when they know the risks. I support their choice in DOING it, but I do NOT support them blaming someone else for the negative outcome. The only thing that stopped that man from smoking was HIMSELF. And his wife should not get payment for HIS stupid decisions to continue to ingest a substance that he knew was going to kill him.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    The U.S. is quite a deregulated society right now, and corporations have a free hand. If the courts cannot keep checks and balances between rampant corporatism and marketing, then no one will be able to. Even though I don't always agree with U.S. 's lawsuit culture, I do believe, within the context of its society only, that it has a useful place.

    Also, when it comes to addiction, I see no problem with suing a drug maker. Tobacco is a drug, and the people who smoke it don't often have control, especially longterm smokers. I am not trying to mitigate a person's freedom to choose, but Phillip Morris deals in an addictive drug and makes huge profits off it. I am of the view that more people should be suing them, not less.

    If heroin addicts could sue their supplier for ruining their lives, they'd do it too, but heroin is illegal. So, tobacco is fair game. Frankly, so is alcohol... but I believe it to be a lesser evil in this case.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Yes the big problem is how addictive ciggarett, that it can be extremly hard or even impossible to quit. I don't know how is it in USA but in Sweden almost no body start smoking then their are 18 or older. That the people that getting addicted maybe for life is people under the age limit. Ecpecially if you talking about 14 year old children it can be easily to see that they have a hard time to realize the full conseqvuence of starting smoking. So I think more could be done to stop children from starting smoking. That would also in the long run take away the profit from the tobacco companies becomes their profiting on children getting addicted.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Jeebus. Just make the damn things illegal if they're so freaking dangerous and addictive.

    8 million dollars, because someone couldn't find the willpower to stop smoking. Unreal.

    I'm an ex smoker, btw. I started smoking at 15, not really fully aware of the danger I was exposing my health to. When I did become aware of how damaging cigarettes were, I didn't stop. I tried to cut back quite a bit and was even successful at that for a while, but I didn't stop. I stopped smoking cold turkey when I got pregnant, though. Never touched another cig again. It can be done with enough willpower and the right incentive.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The U.S. is quite a deregulated society right now, and corporations have a free hand. If the courts cannot keep checks and balances between rampant corporatism and marketing, then no one will be able to. Even though I don't always agree with U.S. 's lawsuit culture, I do believe, within the context of its society only, that it has a useful place.

    Also, when it comes to addiction, I see no problem with suing a drug maker. Tobacco is a drug, and the people who smoke it don't often have control, especially longterm smokers. I am not trying to mitigate a person's freedom to choose, but Phillip Morris deals in an addictive drug and makes huge profits off it. I am of the view that more people should be suing them, not less.

    If heroin addicts could sue their supplier for ruining their lives, they'd do it too, but heroin is illegal. So, tobacco is fair game. Frankly, so is alcohol... but I believe it to be a lesser evil in this case.
    How in the WORLD is it ever the suppliers fault for the way the buyer uses an item? Is it the gun manufacturer's fault if someone buys a gun and kills someone? Is it Little Debbie's fault if someone eats themselves into obesity with their lunchcakes? Is it Doritoes' fault if someone's cholesterol is too high? How about the pharmaceutical companies' fault for selling addictive drugs? Oh, what about coffee manufacturers? They sell an addictive drug that most of the fricken country is addicted to. Is it THEIR fault that people continue to drink more and more coffee and raise their blood pressure and cause damage to their hearts?

    **** no it's not. It's NOT the supplier's fault for what the buyer chooses to do with what they buy. Not ever. And in no way should we have this extremely dangerous precedent in our court system. It's a travesty of "justice" and is only going to set the stage for more of them. More idiots who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. More pathetic fools who think that something is always someone elses fault and someone else should pay for their own stupidity.

    I cannot BELIEVE that people actually support that ****.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    I sure hope drinking tons of coffee does something bad. I really could use a lawsuit against Starbucks.
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