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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Just curious...

    Have any alcohol distillers, brewers, or distributors ever successfully been sued for medical conditions related to alcoholism? How about cirrhosis of the liver?

    My uncle died of alcoholism three years ago. His home was littered with hundreds of gallon wine jugs. Could the family successfully sue Gallo?


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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Riding a bike is not an activity associated with specific hazards. Nobody rides a bike thinking they'll be hit by a truck. It simply happens but one could be hit by a truck, fall off, . However having unprotected sex and smoking leads to SPECIFIC health problems.
    And to further expound on this...when riding a bike, by observing simple safety measures and not riding your bike where trucks happen to be, you can assure yourself that you will not be harmed.

    That is not the case for smoking. There is no way to "safely smoke".

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Just curious...

    Have any alcohol distillers, brewers, or distributors ever successfully been sued for medical conditions related to alcoholism? How about cirrhosis of the liver?

    My uncle died of alcoholism three years ago. His home was littered with hundreds of gallon wine jugs. Could the family successfully sue Gallo?

    Depends. What kind of effort did your uncle make to get off his habit? Did he make any effort? This lawsuit has been in the works for 11 years so unless you have a lot of information on when his drinking habit started and that it was the drinking of a specific alcohol that killed him then I doubt it.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And to further expound on this...when riding a bike, by observing simple safety measures and not riding your bike where trucks happen to be, you can assure yourself that you will not be harmed.

    That is not the case for smoking. There is no way to "safely smoke".
    You're right. I don't like it when people compare activities that have nothing to do with addiction to an addiction. It kind of degrades the situation people who have addictions are in. When was the last time you heard of somebody knocking at a McDonald's at 3 am for a BigMac?
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Breathing O2 can not make you sick. Ever.
    Yes, actually, it can. Too much of anything is never good for you. That includes O2 which you most certainly do NOT want to have too much of. Not to mention the toxic effects of it when breathed at depth. So, you can't really say "ever", that would be patently false.

    But, "air" isn't O2 anyway. Only a percentage of it is O2.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're right. I don't like it when people compare activities that have nothing to do with addiction to an addiction. It kind of degrades the situation people who have addictions are in. When was the last time you heard of somebody knocking at a McDonald's at 3 am for a BigMac?
    Ummm...actually, I know what you meant, but trust me, I've seen it.

    Drunk frat kids. They do pretty much anything you expect a person not to do.

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're right. I don't like it when people compare activities that have nothing to do with addiction to an addiction. It kind of degrades the situation people who have addictions are in. When was the last time you heard of somebody knocking at a McDonald's at 3 am for a BigMac?
    Been there, done that.

    Obviously y'all have never heard of food addictions huh? Video game addictions? Gambling addictions?

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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, actually, it can. Too much of anything is never good for you. That includes O2 which you most certainly do NOT want to have too much of. Not to mention the toxic effects of it when breathed at depth. So, you can't really say "ever", that would be patently false.
    You mean air can make you sick? You mean that which you are breathing right now but are not getting sick from? Breathing oxygen can not make a person sick. Breathing oxygen at depth can make you sick but this is conditional on a person being at depth. How many times a day do you breathe oxygen at depth? A month? A year? Sorry. The comparison falls flat on it's face because it is based on probability and preconditions.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Been there, done that.

    Obviously y'all have never heard of food addictions huh? Video game addictions? Gambling addictions?
    There's no addictive substance in ANY of those thing you just cited. Which is why, once again the comparison falls very flat on it's face.
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    Re: Philip Morris told to pay 8 mln in smoker's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean air can make you sick? You mean that which you are breathing right now but are not getting sick from? Breathing oxygen can not make a person sick.
    LOL Yes, it CAN.

    In humans breathing 100 percent oxygen at normal pressure, here's what happens:

    * Fluid accumulates in the lungs.
    * Gas flow across the alveoli slows down, meaning that the person has to breathe more to get enough oxygen.
    * Chest pains occur during deep breathing.
    * The total volume of exchangeable air in the lung decreases by 17 percent.
    * Mucus plugs local areas of collapsed alveoli -- a condition called atelectasis. The oxygen trapped in the plugged alveoli gets absorbed into the blood, no gas is left to keep the plugged alveoli inflated, and they collapse. Mucus plugs are normal, but they are cleared by coughing. If alveoli become plugged while breathing air, the nitrogen trapped in the alveoli keeps them inflated.


    We don't breathe O2. We breathe Air which is a mixture of O2 and mostly Nitrogen with some trace amounts of other gases.

    Breathing oxygen at depth can make you sick but this is conditional on a person being at depth. How many times a day do you breathe oxygen at depth? A month? A year? Sorry. The comparison falls flat on it's face because it is based on probability and preconditions.
    Quite a bit, actually. For several weeks prior to moving back to WV, I breathed air at depth 2 -3 times a day. In about a month, I'll be breathing it at depth 3 - 4 times a day for a couple months, and after that I'll be breathing it at depth for a living.

    Really doesn't matter though, because too much of anything is harmful. And people that overdo it hurt themselves. And when information about the dangers is out there, there is NO ONE to blame but themselves.

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