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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

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    Yes, we do have some backwards-assed, ignorant individuals living here in Louisiana (they usually either vote for those with D's by their names or they, themselves, have D's by their names). It was an ego boost to this Louisianian when I toured parts of Europe 2 years ago and realized that Louisiana was much more advanced (relative to Europe) than I thought! Now, my recent trip to Mexico and Guatemala did show me that there are many who live in standards lower than southern Europe. Don't worry, Obama is working on bringing us down so that we can eventually look up to you European Unionites (is that a legit word?). But, I digress, back to the subject at hand...

    I do agree that those true Republican governors who really want to do the right thing should just reject the tainted federal money and not posture for media attention (Dems won't give up free money even for the attention). Rick Perry of Texas does not surprise me by agreeing to take some money - I have always thought of him as a Bush-like RINO who sucks up too much to liberals. I don't know how my true conservative Texas buddies can stand to have him as their governor (okay, admittedly, I didn't commit suicide while liberal Democrat Blanco helped to destroy Louisiana for 4 years).

    And, concerning your ignorant Katrina statement... while I do not agree with the huge sums of post-Katrina money requested from the feds by those of the Mary Landrieu (D) ilk, I do feel that the federal government and some local politicians let New Orleans area residents down by not ensuring that levees actually lived up to their design standards (and tax dollars that were spent). Of course, now we find that after years of politicizing and poor engineering, the Corps of Engineers has probably been a leading reason for many areas flooded by Katrina as well as devastating midwestern floods.
    Off topic, but when I was in N.O. after Katrina, everyone I talked to didn't have much bad to say about FEMA, but if you wanted a fight on your hands, all you had to do was praise the Corps of Engineers. The people I talked to when I was working in Chalmette hated the Corps with a passion.

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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The people I talked to when I was working in Chalmette hated the Corps with a passion.
    The people of Chalmette blame the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MR GO) for the flood. It is a man made canal that the Corps built through Chalmette. Yeah, they hate the Corps.

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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    I'm not going to guess who does what at the Governor level.

    Jindal said his state wouldn't take funds. Perhaps they have the funds earmarked to get the work done and he doesn't want to burden the American taxpayer for pork.

    This and it could be a political calculation for 2012, but I don't see him being the type to screw the state (if they were in dire need) for his political future.

    Haley Barbour? Doesn't seem to be a pig either.

    Time will tell.

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    So you are saying that because we are discussing the US, that you have to inflict Europe into the debate? Are you some how ashamed over the "poor" states because some of them have GOP Governors? Or do you deny that Louisiana is considered a "poor" state?
    The following is a point lost on socialists: There will always be poor.
    Average American "poor" is as well off as the average European in what are known as their best countries, strongest economies. It's plain to see, and Europeans who travel know it.

    Lack of something as simple as air conditioning in Paris cost 14,000 people their lives, and untold others in Europe. That's the cost of socialism in a nutshell. In Chicago they considered it, and it was, a catastrophe when 600 died of the same cause.

    Socialism has its costs.

    As for your link. Interesting out of date information.
    It's only five years old.
    But for the socialists, you folks can take money, sprinkle it around like magic dust and predict what will happen in 10, 20, 50-years. And your predictions are almost always wrong.
    Keynes was wrong. Stagflation was never supposed to happen.
    Galbraith wrong.
    Marx wrong.

    von Mises, Hayek, Friedman, have a bit better record. Whether in America, New Zealand, Hong Kong or Chile... free markets and people freed from the shackles of government prosper... lifting all boats.
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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    Socialism causes heat waves.
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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Socialism causes heat waves.
    LMFAO.....
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The following is a point lost on socialists: There will always be poor.
    Average American "poor" is as well off as the average European in what are known as their best countries, strongest economies. It's plain to see, and Europeans who travel know it.
    Yes it is plain to see, but you refuse to see it. US numbers and European numbers can often not be compared. Yet you and this study seem to do that, without any methodology mentioned. For example on the question of "poverty". The EU definition is widely different than the US definition.

    But the big problem with this "study" is its source material and who has released it. Timbro, is a conservative think tank in Sweden for one. That is one red flag. And what I know of Swedish conservatives, especially from that period, they were and are very pro US and anti EU. Second redflag.

    Now, many of the sources they do provide are sources that also gain lots of red flags. Sources from US conservative think tanks and books.. I mean come on.

    The source for number of computers (and other things) is a book from 1999, which means the numbers are even older. Who wrote the book? 2 US conservatives. And you expect me to accept such a source without no access to the sources numbers?

    This "study" looks more and more like another lame attempt by conservatives (and yes socialists do it also) to fit the study to a preconceived conclusion. You have to remember what political climate the study was written in. At the time of the release the Socialists had have power for a decade, with the Conservatives being out in the wilderness. On top of that the Conservatives were still fuming big time over the way the Swedish government had handled the financial crisis .. better known today as the "Swedish model" that Obama is thinking about and funny enough quite a few conservatives are advocating. Guess what, the Socialists were correct and the Conservatives were wrong. Today the former nationalised banks in Sweden are some of the most healthy banks in the world and it still pisses off the Swedish conservatives.

    So again before you float a study like this, check sources, check who wrote it and so on.

    Lack of something as simple as air conditioning in Paris cost 14,000 people their lives, and untold others in Europe. That's the cost of socialism in a nutshell. In Chicago they considered it, and it was, a catastrophe when 600 died of the same cause.
    Give me a freaking break. Air Conditioning is not a norm in Northern France, or most of mid and northern Europe. There is normally no reason to have air condition as the temperature during the summer rarely hits even close to 30 degrees for more than a few days at a time. That summer the heat wave in Europe was very bad, with many days with above normal temperatures for many days. If anything, it was the failure of the French government at the time to not only accept the problem but to have a plan in place to deal with the problem.

    But I can flip this one for you. How can it be, that in areas of the US where heat is a normal thing, people die every year to heat waves? If you are so good and great, then how can you have people dieing to such things? Is America not perfect? How can people die to exposure during the winter? How could people die to Katrina? If the US is so perfect?

    Socialism has its costs.
    Yep it does, as does capitalism. Look at what uncontrolled greedy capitalism has driven us into today! But that is not saying socialism is better, so dont even try to go there. You have no clue what socialism is any ways, like most conservatives. For US conservatives, anything that they are against is socialism.

    It's only five years old.
    No the study came out 5 years ago, the numbers used in the study are from the late 1990s and early 2000s .Hence 8 to 10+ year old numbers. The GDP numbers are 9 years old for one. Other sources are older than 10 years.

    But for the socialists, you folks can take money, sprinkle it around like magic dust and predict what will happen in 10, 20, 50-years. And your predictions are almost always wrong.
    Keynes was wrong. Stagflation was never supposed to happen.
    Galbraith wrong.
    Marx wrong.

    von Mises, Hayek, Friedman, have a bit better record. Whether in America, New Zealand, Hong Kong or Chile... free markets and people freed from the shackles of government prosper... lifting all boats.
    Oh they do? On what grounds do you claim this? Are you claiming that European countries are not free markets and free people?
    PeteEU

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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The following is a point lost on socialists: There will always be poor.
    Average American "poor" is as well off as the average European in what are known as their best countries, strongest economies. It's plain to see, and Europeans who travel know it.
    Nuh uhh. Dey have der frwee heawft care....

    And a huge external debt to equity ratio
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    How prosperous was the USSR? A better question would be, USSR who?
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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    A Democrat finally...


    Phil Bredesen may become the first Democratic governor to reject some funding earmarked for his state in the stimulus package.

    Tennessee Gov. Bredesen, who is reported to be on the shortlist to take over the Department of Health and Human Services, told a Tennessee newspaper he had concerns similar to those of Republican governors who have suggested they would not take all the stimulus money.

    South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R), Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue (R) and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) have all said they are concerned that taking additional money for their states' unemployment benefits programs would force them to expand those programs in perpetuity.

    "We are evaluating this piece of money, whether it makes sense for us to take it," Bredesen told the Chattanooga Times Free Press. "We may well be one of the states that say we can't take on that portion of it."
    TheHill.com - Dem governor may reject stimulus funding
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    Re: GOP governors consider turning down stimulus money [EDIT]

    This kind of divisionalism is not what the U.S. needs right now.

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