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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    And yet if King were alive today, the right wing (which has continually attemtped to gloss over King's radical message and reduce his legacy to a pursuit of a merely legal and technical equality of the races and not a substantive one) would condemn his socialist politics and his commitment to non-violence as unAmerican and a threat to our security. If he hadn't already been murdered, the right would be calling for his assassination. King was a radical and a socialist and if you think for an instant that he would be content with the fact that the average black family has 1/8th the net worth or assets of the average white family, or that we have a similar inequality of wealth as Bolivia, then you are sadly mistaken.
    I'm sorry, but I cringe when right-wingers invoke King. He was your enemy to the death.
    His equality message was great and that is where it ends.

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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It has to be terrible to have people wonder if you are really qualified, if you really have the merit or are a product of quotas.
    Affirmative Action imposes the heaviest cost on the most capable of the minorities favored by AA policies. For instance, when a university admits Blacks who are underqualified for admission it creates a stigma, and a well deserved stigma, that most Blacks are not qualified for admission. Yet there will always be a few Blacks who are more than qualified and would have easily been admitted even without favoritism. For the rest of their academic career they must battle the perception that they didn't earn their place, that they were shown favoritism, that they're underqualified.

    The competent pay a very heavy price as they are forced to wear the cloak of AA stigma.

    Let's just have a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. I'd love absolutely color blind, merit based progress of individuals. It's best for everyone, for society as a whole. That would be a great gift, a great example for the world to see and follow.
    This outcome is probably best, but it won't be cost free. On the positive side, the economic efficiency of the US would jump radically higher for all of the race-norming procedures we force onto society lower our economic efficiency and actually cost us money. Secondly, the spirit of advancement by merit is more inspiring to people than the spirit of advancement by who one knows or advancement by quota. However, the downside is that the incidence of racial stratification will increase over time and the feeling of victimhood and denied entitlement will increase in those segments of society that can't advance strictly on merit.

    These downsides are built right into the very fabric of multiculturalism. If you set out to create a multiculturalist society then you can't escape differential achievement metrics.

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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    And yet if King were alive today, the right wing (which has continually attemtped to gloss over King's radical message and reduce his legacy to a pursuit of a merely legal and technical equality of the races and not a substantive one) would condemn his socialist politics and his commitment to non-violence as unAmerican and a threat to our security. If he hadn't already been murdered, the right would be calling for his assassination. King was a radical and a socialist and if you think for an instant that he would be content with the fact that the average black family has 1/8th the net worth or assets of the average white family, or that we have a similar inequality of wealth as Bolivia, then you are sadly mistaken.
    I'm sorry, but I cringe when right-wingers invoke King. He was your enemy to the death.
    We would condemn his socialist policies. I would condemn them if the guy were yellow, red, white, brown or olive.

    If he were running for president and had a pacifist stance I'd oppose him vociferously too.

    Tell me, what is wrong with living free lives?
    People treated equally under the eyes of the law?

    We could twist numbers about wealth all year long. What is the solution? Freedom. Equal rights under the law.

    King died in 68. If you were born in 1955 you might have a recollection of a few events. That makes those people... 13 at the time... 54 today. It is a different world today. We don't need these wedges anymore. It is a detriment to society but good for the libs. They have no shame pulling out the race card.

    You know, I clearly remember Obama saying "There is not a black American and white American and Latino America and Asian American--there is the United States of America."

    Seems these were "words... just words." Otherwise Holder, Attorney General of the United States of America wouldn't have uttered his divisive tripe.

    "Cowards"?
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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    I think that it's all about spin.

    It's like a magician, he wants you to watch him, and not his hands.

    As long as we bicker about B.S. like race,the politicians will keep taking our rights away.And not doing the job we elected them to do,while we bicker about B.S.It's all about power and money,and we are not included.
    One of these days someone will come knocking on your door with guns and a uniform and tell you what you need to do.

    White people are second class citizens,how come we are just Americans and not European-Americans,that's just plain discrimination.

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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Eric Holder needs to resign or be removed from his post.
    We do not need Eric Holder spreading hate.

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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Here is a chart which shows the returns to the highest levels of education.

    Why does my chart say otherwise?


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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Talk View Post
    Why does my chart say otherwise?

    Might as well get the actual numbers.

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    Median for Whites:

    Bachelors: 48k
    Masters: 56k
    Professional: 90k
    Doctorate: 76k


    Median for Blacks:

    Bachelors: 42k
    Masters: 52k
    Professional: 67k
    Doctorate: 82k
    Of course, you have to take these numbers with a grain of salt, as they don't take into account what type of degrees these are.
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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by river
    These downsides are built right into the very fabric of multiculturalism. If you set out to create a multiculturalist society then you can't escape differential achievement metrics.
    I think it is slightly more than that. It is not just multi-cultural it is the multi-tone skin color.
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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of course, you have to take these numbers with a grain of salt, as they don't take into account what type of degrees these are.
    Nor do they control for cognitive ability. With Affirmative Action in place minorities are earning degrees and usually place in the lower tiers of intelligence amongst their classmates, so to the extent that cognitive ability aids job performance and job performance is rewarded with increased salary, with educational status held constant, minorities will likely receive lower salaries.

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    Re: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    We do not need Eric Holder spreading hate.
    Ever heard Bill Cosby's pound cake bit? Self-serving race-baiting bigots like Sharpton and Jackson are the ones who would want the officer lynched and the criminal enshrined in eternal victimhood. Obama and Holder are more the types to steal the pound cake for the entire black community while assuring those who follow the rules and work for a living that they're being "patriotic" for surrendering everything they've earned.
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