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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are saying that you would vote for a right wing politician?

    There is reason why there is not a" I could care less who wins" option. It is because we pick politicians whose views closely match ours. Thats why you vote for liberal politicians and I vote for conservative politicians

    IF you are religious then that religion you prescribe to is part of your beliefs. Its no different than a politician who is for gay marriage or a politician who is against abortion or a politician who is against illegal immigration for our outsourcing. You don't throw those views under the bus just because you got elected.

    Again if you actually claim to be part of a religion you do not throw that religion under the bus just because you got elected to office.

    I don't know about you but if I vote for a politician who claims to be of a particular political ideology and a certian religion then I expect that politician to uphold the beliefs of that ideology and religious beliefs.

    If politicians claim to be a of a particular faith and they are not practicing or abiding by that faith then they should be called on it by their fellow religious members and leaders.
    You've hit the nail right on the head, which also in no small part explains the anger of us atheists in this country. It is impossible for an atheist to be an elected official in the legislative or executive branches of the Federal government, so it is technically also impossible for any elected official to represent us. Just as you bemoan any politician throwing their religion under the bus for the sake of his/her constituents, so too do we constantly worry that a politician, however similar to our polticial beliefs he claims to be, will throw us under the bus. It's this identity crisis of theirs that makes it impossible for me to trust anybody I vote for not even counting the fact that most polticians are power hungry egomaniacs to begin with.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

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    Oh please, ludahai. Do you believe everything Catholicism tells you? If so, wow--you clearly don't have a mind of your own.

    I am so glad to be rid of that ridiculous religion. No offense to Catholics.
    thank goodness you stuck that last sentence in there. otherwise your post might have been extremely offensive.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But this isn't what a Catholic should be. One should be a Catholic first, and then whatever their occupation is second. In my occupation, I am expected by the tenets of my faith to live out my faith. I have twice been asked in the course of my work to act against those tenets. On both occasions I pointed this out to my superiors. In the first instance, they didn't relent and I resigned from the position. In the second, they DID in fact respect my faith and my adherence to it. IN fact, I think they respect me now MORE for standing up for my beliefs. Two years later, I am still there.
    A politician's upbringing determines their moral compass, so I can partly accept what you're saying. However, when presented with a life or death situation that affects the entire country, and if the will of the people contradicts your Catholic faith, what do you do? Side with your faith?

    A politician whose faith overrides democratic decisions should not be a politician. I respect if you disagree, but secular institutions have been tainted by religion enough as it is.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But this isn't what a Catholic should be. One should be a Catholic first, and then whatever their occupation is second. In my occupation, I am expected by the tenets of my faith to live out my faith. I have twice been asked in the course of my work to act against those tenets. On both occasions I pointed this out to my superiors. In the first instance, they didn't relent and I resigned from the position. In the second, they DID in fact respect my faith and my adherence to it. IN fact, I think they respect me now MORE for standing up for my beliefs. Two years later, I am still there.
    A politician's upbringing determines their moral compass, so I can partly accept what you're saying. However, when presented with a life or death situation that affects the entire country, and if the will of the people contradicts your Catholic faith, what do you do? Side with your faith?

    A politician whose faith overrides democratic decisions should not be a politician. I respect if you disagree, but secular institutions have been tainted by religion enough as it is.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A politician's upbringing determines their moral compass, so I can partly accept what you're saying. However, when presented with a life or death situation that affects the entire country, and if the will of the people contradicts your Catholic faith, what do you do? Side with your faith?

    A politician whose faith overrides democratic decisions should not be a politician. I respect if you disagree, but secular institutions have been tainted by religion enough as it is.
    I do disagree.

    If you can't live your conscience in your job, perhaps one should find another job - as I once did.

    I don't want a theocracy by any means, but at the same time the values of religious people are a part of the society. Those values should (and in the US, DO have a voice). I do happen to believe that the teachings of the Church are NOT in conflict with what is in the best interests of the United States or any other country.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A politician's upbringing determines their moral compass, so I can partly accept what you're saying. However, when presented with a life or death situation that affects the entire country, and if the will of the people contradicts your Catholic faith, what do you do? Side with your faith?

    A politician whose faith overrides democratic decisions should not be a politician. I respect if you disagree, but secular institutions have been tainted by religion enough as it is.
    Like...give an example where this could occur.
    There is nothing in Catholicism that contradicts the Constitution--there is no possibility where this might occur. A person who lives his/her Catholic faith and is elected according to his/her positions, is not going to face this hypothetical "problem" you propose.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Like...give an example where this could occur.
    There is nothing in Catholicism that contradicts the Constitution--there is no possibility where this might occur. A person who lives his/her Catholic faith and is elected according to his/her positions, is not going to face this hypothetical "problem" you propose.
    I can think of only one. The death penalty. Thou shall not kill. A true Catholic governor might feel he has to pardon every man sentenced to death in his state.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I can think of only one. The death penalty. Thou shall not kill. A true Catholic governor might feel he has to pardon every man sentenced to death in his state.
    No he wouldn't.

    The death penalty is not contrary to Catholicism.

    From the Catechism:
    2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I can think of only one. The death penalty. Thou shall not kill. A true Catholic governor might feel he has to pardon every man sentenced to death in his state.
    I am not aware of any time where the CHurch has definitively taught that th Death Penalty is a violation of the Catholic faith or where a Pope has spoken ex cathedra about the topic.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Heh.

    Well, that's certainly not what this ex-Catholic was taught.

    But, how exactly would there be no other way to avoid capital punishment when life in prison is an option?
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