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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

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    No, we ask Saints to intervene, and help us pray to God.
    Yes, I know that. I am saying comparisons could be made. Not that Catholicism is actually pagan.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes, I know that. I am saying comparisons could be made. Not that Catholicism is actually pagan.
    Do you see how that's different than "praying to" Saints?

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Rev, I get what you are saying about following the religion you profess to believe. I do. I am simply suggesting that it is not impossible for a Catholic to vote for a bill allowing abortion, or against a bill banning abortion, and still be a Catholic. I say this because the existence of abortion as an option to unwanted pregnancies is not her actually having an abortion. One would argue that a more intelligent method for a Catholic to eliminate abortions would be not to ban them but to make them no longer necessary. As we've seen in the drug war just because something is banned does in no way mean that the act is performed less frequently. Her disagreement with the pope may very well be about thinking abortion is OK and not about how best to eliminate the practice. Her inner thoughts I don't know, and I'd guess it is more likely the former, but the concept of a Catholic not being a Catholic because they don't want to tear down Roe vs. Wade is incorrect in my opinion.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Those elected are politicians first, and then they are Catholics. The reason is that they do not just represent their own beliefs and biases, but those of their constituents. If a politician takes orders from the Pope, then he/she is usurping democratic process and should be removed from office. The Pope isn't even a U.S. citizen.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Those elected are politicians first, and then they are Catholics. The reason is that they do not just represent their own beliefs and biases, but those of their constituents. If a politician takes orders from the Pope, then he/she is usurping democratic process and should be removed from office. The Pope isn't even a U.S. citizen.
    That pretty much sums up my opinion on the subject. I'm okay with them being Catholic, but we didn't vote in a Catholic, we voted in a politician to uphold the will of the people.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Those elected are politicians first, and then they are Catholics. The reason is that they do not just represent their own beliefs and biases, but those of their constituents. If a politician takes orders from the Pope, then he/she is usurping democratic process and should be removed from office. The Pope isn't even a U.S. citizen.
    The people voted for him knowing he is a Catholic. Also he is a representative not a delegate, he owes the people his judgement even if it goes against their opinions and finally this complaint could be made about just anything influencing him which didn't turn into some slave of the "general will". As far as I know the American system is run neither as one of delegates nor as one along the lines of the "general will" outside of society as it is constituted, so the general, liberal attacks on Catholic MPs don't mean much until then.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    That pretty much sums up my opinion on the subject. I'm okay with them being Catholic, but we didn't vote in a Catholic, we voted in a politician to uphold the will of the people.
    Actually they did vote for a Catholic and a representative who is to exercise his own judgement, even if unpopular.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes I do.



    I didn't say Catholicism is actually pagan or that saints are worshiped (hence the quotes). I said that, from the outside, I could see how comparisons to paganism could be made.
    They how can you intelligently say we are NOT Christians?
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Catholics pray to many different "gods" (saints) and also have their followers practically worship "holy" beings such as bishops, cardinals, and the pope.

    You could easily make the comparison to Greek structure of paganism.
    What you are saying now does not jive with this post.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Those elected are politicians first, and then they are Catholics. The reason is that they do not just represent their own beliefs and biases, but those of their constituents. If a politician takes orders from the Pope, then he/she is usurping democratic process and should be removed from office. The Pope isn't even a U.S. citizen.
    But this isn't what a Catholic should be. One should be a Catholic first, and then whatever their occupation is second. In my occupation, I am expected by the tenets of my faith to live out my faith. I have twice been asked in the course of my work to act against those tenets. On both occasions I pointed this out to my superiors. In the first instance, they didn't relent and I resigned from the position. In the second, they DID in fact respect my faith and my adherence to it. IN fact, I think they respect me now MORE for standing up for my beliefs. Two years later, I am still there.
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