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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That something is a nothing until it is born.
    Could you expand on this? Do you mean that legally it's nothing until it's born? Or do you literally consider the unborn, no matter how far along into the pregnancy, to be nothing?
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Could you expand on this? Do you mean that legally it's nothing until it's born? Or do you literally consider the unborn, no matter how far along into the pregnancy, to be nothing?
    Legally it is a nothing until it hits a certain stage of pregnancy and after birth is when it is protected.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Legally it is a nothing until it hits a certain stage of pregnancy and after birth is when it is protected.
    And that law is based on nothing except the convenience of the legislators trolling for female votes.

    The law permits partial birth abortions, which involve the gross manipulation of the baby inside the uterus to force it into a breech presentation, which is an abnormal presentation, and then forcings it's delivery yet halting that process so the baby-killer can jam scissors in the unaneshetized baby's head to stir his brains, which are then sucked out through a hose. There's absolutely no medical justification for this, but this can be done at the very end of a full gestational term. It's only function is the delivery of a corpse.

    The law has Scott Peterson on death row for the "murder" of a child much younger than the law permits for partial birth abortions.

    People that try to use the "law" to argue the morality or justification of abortion are sadly mistaken. The only argument to be found there is that the legislators are confused and ignorant.

    The science says it's a human being from conception.

    For once a church got something right.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And that law is based on nothing except the convenience of the legislators trolling for female votes.

    The science says it's a human being from conception.
    Perhaps in US, female votes are trolled but that does not occur in UK. I don't know if partial birth Abortions occur in UK.

    Science does not say that. Religion says that. Make that distinction.
    At conception, reminds me of the catholic teaching.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Science does not say that. Religion says that. Make that distinction.
    At conception, reminds me of the catholic teaching.
    Here's a couple...


    Lifespan Development and the Brain - Cambridge University Press
    The power of brain and cultural plasticity in co-shaping human behavior begins at conception and continues into old age


    Human Development
    In psychology, development is defined as a pattern of change in human capabilities that begins at conception and continues throughout the life span.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That something is a nothing until it is born.
    Wrong. It has all of the DNA a human will ever have right from conception.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And Abortion and contraceptives are invented to remove us of that problem
    Pretty demented when the natural beauty of procreation is labeled a "problem."
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps in US, female votes are trolled but that does not occur in UK.
    Yeah, right.

    Be for real.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't know if partial birth Abortions occur in UK.

    Science does not say that. Religion says that. Make that distinction.
    At conception, reminds me of the catholic teaching.
    No.

    Science says it.

    Religion is bunk.

    The life of an organism begins when sexual gametes merge and create its unique genetic code. From that point on, it's alive, growing, and a unique individual.

    Since you can't do it, I won't waste my time or embarass you by asking you to define what "human" means or when a human life begins. Past experience has shown that such requests provide entertaining gymnastics from the baby-killers, but no useful information.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, right.

    Be for real.
    US/UK political systems are very different.

    Abortion and Stem cell stirs absolutely no ones hornet. It is not a controversial issue, for most part it is a settled issue.
    There is no 'conservative party = Pro life/Labour = Pro choice. All main parties are pro choice so yes, i am serious and real when i say Abortion will never be used to gain female votes.

    No.

    Science says it.

    The life of an organism begins when sexual gametes merge and create its unique genetic code. From that point on, it's alive, growing, and a unique individual.
    A foetus is not viable outside of the womb at a few weeks or even months.
    It is after the cut off point for Abortion it has a surviving chance to live with alot medical care and not to mention the added issue that it may suffer medical problems in the future if born at 20/22/24

    I have never seen a 6 week foetus being born and growing healthy, it would die so i hardly view it as important.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Pretty demented when the natural beauty of procreation is labeled a "problem."
    Depends on the individuals outlook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    The power of brain and cultural plasticity in co-shaping human behavior begins at conception and continues into old age.
    That is all well and good, no one denies a foetus has DNA. I think that is pretty elementary science
    When it can survive outside of a womb is when it should be protected. It cannot survive outside of the womb when the sperm hits the egg so no, it should not get state protection and it should not be seen as trumping a womens right to her body imo.
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