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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like children do not have full rights, neither does the fetus.
    Wait a minute... Children don't have the right to life?

    I hope you don't test that theory! ALL human beings have the right to life--that's what the DoI claims and considers "inalienable" and is listed FIRST among equals in the document.

    I will always side with a woman's right to choose not to carry full term if she doesn't want to.
    Then you side with taking away the inalienable RIGHT of a certain class of human beings.

    FORCING her is taking away liberties as well.
    Killing is taking away life--removing that one right, removes all other rights.
    As I said before, if you don't like it, spend the money to research other ways so she doesn't have to carry it to full term or DEAL WITH IT.
    How very "pro-choice" of you. So to you it's not "pro-choice," it's "pro-agree-with-YOUR-choice."

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    FORCING a woman to carry a baby to term is taking away liberty and the pursuit of happiness from the woman.

    If pro-life people want to abolish abortion, find, pay, and support ways to remove the fetus from the mother safely without her having to carry the baby full term.
    Who forced the woman to engage in activity that she knew would have the potential to result in the presence of an unborn human being in her womb?
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like children do not have full rights, neither does the fetus.
    Are you going to argue that because children do not have full rights, it is ok to murder them as well?
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Who forced the woman to engage in activity that she knew would have the potential to result in the presence of an unborn human being in her womb?
    oh...but even if she didn't consent, that wouldn't morally justify killing the unborn result of the crime. The human did not ask to be conceived, and is therefore completely a second victim! I would vote for a measure that had a rape caveat, but I still believe that morally it would be unjustified to kill a human being who's conception made her also a victim of her mother's rape.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    The chances of getting pregnant from a rape are slim. The chances of getting pregnant from a rape if you were treated at a hospital for rape and given the MAP are even slimmer.

    Personally I find the rape/abortion issue irrelevant.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The chances of getting pregnant from a rape are slim. The chances of getting pregnant from a rape if you were treated at a hospital for rape and given the MAP are even slimmer.

    Personally I find the rape/abortion issue irrelevant.
    It is very rare, but it's not irrelevant to the one who gets aborted as a result, nor is it irrelevant that it could be used as an excuse for a woman who simply changes her mind about a pregnancy in order to get an abortion. As I said--I would vote for such a law with that caveat just to start to lessen the killing.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Although I don't support abortion, I have to say that the Pope should keep his holy fingers out of the political world. It's called the separation of Church and State, but the obviously the Vatican hasn't heard of such heretical nonsense.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    oh...but even if she didn't consent, that wouldn't morally justify killing the unborn result of the crime. The human did not ask to be conceived, and is therefore completely a second victim! I would vote for a measure that had a rape caveat, but I still believe that morally it would be unjustified to kill a human being who's conception made her also a victim of her mother's rape.
    Felicity, and other Catholic pro-lifers, I'm curious how you feel about this case and the Church's reaction to it.

    Brazil girl, alleged rape victim, aborts twins - Americas- msnbc.com

    Vatican defends Brazil excommunication - Yahoo!7 News

    Edit: Never mind! Just saw the other thread.
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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Felicity, and other Catholic pro-lifers, I'm curious how you feel about this case and the Church's reaction to it.

    Brazil girl, alleged rape victim, aborts twins - Americas- msnbc.com

    Vatican defends Brazil excommunication - Yahoo!7 News
    Now that's just sad. Well, personally, I think this abortion is justified because she'd die if she try to give birth to two babies, like the article said, her uterus isn't big enough. So instead of 3 lives being lost, only 2 are.

    Either way, excommunication is way over the top here.

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    Re: Pope to US Speaker Pelosi: Reject abortion support

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like children do not have full rights, neither does the fetus.
    Full rights is not the issue. Remember from the preamble, that there are some intrinsic rights endowed by God to all humans. All children have these rights. Mentally retarded people have these rights.

    The right to drink is not an inherent right, so it is not guaranteed. Fetus's(who I identify as persons) share the equal fundamental rights as adults.


    As I said before, if you don't like it, spend the money to research other ways so she doesn't have to carry it to full term or DEAL WITH IT.
    How about abstinence education for women to find out the benefits avoiding sex until being in a stable position to take the risk of pregnancy(e.g. marriage.)? Are you happy now?

    pwnage.

    Felicity, and other Catholic pro-lifers, I'm curious how you feel about this case and the Church's reaction to it.

    Brazil girl, alleged rape victim, aborts twins - Americas- msnbc.com

    Vatican defends Brazil excommunication - Yahoo!7 News
    There was a thread on DP about this. I posted in support of the archbishop.
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