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Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Short answer: No. He is investing in Capitalism.
Nonsense, Obama is a socialist and so are his supporters.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

The article's rationale is ridiculous. I can see why you did not quote it in the op

Numbers show the U.S. is drifting ever closer to the socialist systems popular within the European Union. In 1999, government spending made up 34.3 percent of gross domestic product, or GDP, the broadest barometer used to measure the health of the economy. That number is projected to grow to nearly 40 percent by next year.

Government spending within the majority of European Union nations averages 47.1 percent of the GDP, meaning the U.S. is roughly seven points behind -- closer than ever before.

But whether that equates to socialism here depends on whom you ask.

No, Fox News, that does not equate to socialism.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Nonsense, Obama is a socialist and so are his supporters.

It's called adhering to Keynesian Economic (Fiscal) Policy.
You do not know what you are talking about.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

The article's rationale is ridiculous. I can see why you did not quote it in the op



No, Fox News, that does not equate to socialism.

I didn't quote it in the original post because some websites frown on posting entire articles, so to keep it simple I make it a policy to post just the link.

Carry on.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Obama is not steering us toward Socialism.
We, that is the US is already a Socialist Society.
The US supports it's elderly via Social Security Payments, it supports their health via Medicare.
The above are merely two of many programs that assist in their care for Society.
These are Social programs, thus the US is already in part a Socialist Society.
Obama is attempting to rescue the part of society that permits this type of socialism to continue, that is the Tax payer, for without the Taxes that Society pays the US Government none of the Government programs can work.
Obama may well have had some education into the workings of a Communist Society but he must be realistic enough to know that no Communist Government has ever succeeded long term.
True, China is governed by the Communist Party, but China works only because it has a Capitalist based Industrial society.
North Korea likes to say that it is a Communist Society, in reality it is a Dictatorship run along so called Communist ideals.
The Soviet Union was at least nominally run as a Communist Society, that failed, China noted that the USSR failed and took steps to see that it's own method of Communist rule would not fail.
Within any and indeed every society there will always be people who wish to better themselves using their own labor and or brains.
 
What the hell does socialism even mean in this context?

Some seem to equate socialism with Totalitarianism and it's incomplete step-son Dictatorship. From what I am getting, Socialism is screamed whenever Obama... you know... plays Mr. President.
 
Why is an Op-Ed in the BREAKING NEWS section?
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

It's called adhering to Keynesian Economic (Fiscal) Policy.
You do not know what you are talking about.

John Maynard Keynes was a socialist, as were his policies which are still wreaking havoc on the world today.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

John Maynard Keynes was a socialist, as were his policies which are still wreaking havoc on the world today.

Or a Capitalist
But it apparently does not matter anymore as individuals wish to no longer understand theories, and concepts, instead they just want to label the author as something that appears unpleasant to the majority of ignorant Americans.
 
John Maynard Keynes was a socialist, as were his policies which are still wreaking havoc on the world today.

Right, it's been proven that when both consumer and investment spending goes down, the best thing to do is stop government spending :roll:

Out of curiosity, what was causing all the havoc during that time immediately prior to Mr Keynes writing his theses? You know, the era commonly remembered as the worst economic period in history.
 
Right, it's been proven that when both consumer and investment spending goes down, the best thing to do is stop government spending :roll:
Every dollar of government spending is a dollar stolen from the pocket of a productive citizen. When consumption and investment spending go down, taxes and spending should both be cut.

The only spending government should ever engage in is for the basic service necessities it is expected to, and not one cent more.

Out of curiosity, what was causing all the havoc during that time immediately prior to Mr Keynes writing his theses? You know, the era commonly remembered as the worst economic period in history.
Please be specific.
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Or a Capitalist
But it apparently does not matter anymore as individuals wish to no longer understand theories, and concepts, instead they just want to label the author as something that appears unpleasant to the majority of ignorant Americans.
Well anyone who makes use of capital is technically a capitalist, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Lord Keynes was indeed a socialist.
 
Every dollar of government spending is a dollar stolen from the pocket of a productive citizen. When consumption and investment spending go down, taxes and spending should both be cut.

Sounds like a plan. Let's stop allowing the government to "steal" our money. Let's see how long high-ways, the military, and fire departments stay up and running based on the donations of citizens; I'll give you a hint.. Americans are not ready to spend their money on such things, as it has to be given to them as it is declared in this fantasy called a social contract.

The only spending government should ever engage in is for the basic service necessities it is expected to, and not one cent more.

Oh here it is. Government should no longer tax, but be expected to provide basic services?
Now tell me. What exactly are these basic service necessities. Last landmark de-regulation idea that passed through congress, and signed by a President caused the housing market to tumble, and thus, this recession. In my humble opinion, the survival of a capitalist system is a bare necessity.



BTW according these ridiculous terminologies of socialism (Government playing a role in the economy) Adam Smith is a socialist.
 
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Sounds like a plan. Let's stop allowing the government to "steal" our money. Let's see how long high-ways, the military, and fire departments stay up and running based on the donations of citizens; I'll give you a hint.. Americans are not ready to spend their money on such things, as it has to be given to them as it is declared in this fantasy called a social contract.
The federal government runs your fire department?

Transportation was 2% of the 2008 federal budget.

Oh here it is. Government should no longer tax, but be expected to provide basic services?
Now tell me. What exactly are these basic service necessities.
In my opinion, not much, but per the Constitution there are a number of duties the federal government has. These are listed to exhaustion in the Constitution itself.

Last landmark de-regulation idea that passed through congress, and signed by a President caused the housing market to tumble, and thus, this recession. In my humble opinion, the survival of a capitalist system is a bare necessity.
I'm sorry, are you trying to blame the housing bubble on something other than the massive government intervention in the economy that caused it? :shock:
 
Yes Obama is a Socialist. Yes his policies (esp social/economic/medical/etc) are Socialist.


Good news is Americans will only put up with it for so long before they tell the pusher to go to hell.

Obama won't usher in an era of anything. He'll be out on his ass blaming whitey by 2012.
 
Depends on what kind of socialism you are talking about. Bush promoted socialism in the United States through neo-liberalization, and his methodologies catered to corporate socialism: bailouts, deregulation, increasing of free trade. I won't blame Bush for all the economic problems, but he was one President in a string of several who sent the United States down a deregulatory path.

In order to patch the economy, further infusions of money are needed. The economy would head toward a depression anyway without a stimulus package, and people would be paying even more as inflation increases. So although the average joe is having to shoulder the cost of the stimulus package, it is actually a small amount compared to the decades of deficit-based spending that has caused the current situation.

In short, Americans now have to pay their bills.
 

I think it's something a little more serious that socialism. It's FDR style socialism again, which was a wonderful mix of fascism and socialism. And when it comes to nationalization of private business, look out. I wouldn't be surprised to see the government try to grab that one either. We're in for a bad ride...too bad the other side didn't offer anything different.
 
Depends on what kind of socialism you are talking about. Bush promoted socialism in the United States through neo-liberalization, and his methodologies catered to corporate socialism: bailouts, deregulation, increasing of free trade. I won't blame Bush for all the economic problems, but he was one President in a string of several who sent the United States down a deregulatory path.
Deregulation did not cause the economic problems.

In order to patch the economy, further infusions of money are needed. The economy would head toward a depression anyway without a stimulus package, and people would be paying even more as inflation increases.
This doesn't even make sense. The porkulus package you support is exactly what will cause inflation and what will cause a depression.

So although the average joe is having to shoulder the cost of the stimulus package, it is actually a small amount compared to the decades of deficit-based spending that has caused the current situation.

In short, Americans now have to pay their bills.
You say Americans now have to pay their bills, yet all this "stimulus" garbage did was push a trillion dollars more debt onto future generations
 
Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

Short answer: No. He is investing in Capitalism.
LMFAO.

With the shreds we were able to find out about Obama through off-script moments, tapes, and his books he revealed himself to be a socialist:

He owns the most liberal voting record during his time in the Senate. Further left than an admitted socialist.
His friends. Racist. Socialist.
Associates. Terrorist. Crook.
His upbringing (nothing to do with his Muslim father by the way).
His activities before going to law school. Community organizing a'la Rules for Radikals... Saul Alinsky.
The moments he was off-script and let his guard down. Spread. Guns. Religion. No preconditions.
His scant, and highly selective voting record in the IL Senate.
He pushed a law for infanticide hard in the IL Senate.

Many, many indications he was and would remain a socialist.
 
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