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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
    Socialism? Is it that tough to define?

    How the Socialist State looks after it's been run through their grinder for a mere 5 decades. They've had almost two decades to clean up the mess, but much of the former Iron Curtain is still in a state of squalor.



    Below: "Workers" trained in the ways of socialism. You can take the boy out of the socialist country, but for many it's difficult to take the socialist work ethic out of the boy.
    Title of the photo: Models of the Obama Stimulus.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Actually those pictures look a whole lot better than alot of American cities.

    Austria was listed as #3 on the Top 10 Happiest places on Earth.
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    Re: Is Obama steering us toward Socialism?

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    Yay more abstract political ideologies to deal with. What kind of "commi" are we talking about here? Which school of communism? Whose school of communism? Is it just communism modified, or Communism hammified?

    Not very convincing.
    For Arch Enemy:
    OBAMA's COMMI MENTOR: Obama’s Communist Mentor
    As for Obama's commi mentor, the guy named Frank in Obama's books had people asking...
    Why does Obama not give Frank's last name?
    Who is this man Frank? Is he a rock, is he a tree, or is he a double bogey?

    He's a double bogey.
    In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

    However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

    The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

    Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

    The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

    Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."

    Political Affairs Magazine - Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party
    Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party
    By Gerald Horne
    In any case, deploring these convictions in Hawaii was an African-American poet and journalist by the name of Frank Marshall Davis, who was certainly in the orbit of the CP – if not a member – and who was born in Kansas and spent a good deal of his adult life in Chicago, before decamping to Honolulu in 1948 at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson. Eventually, he befriended another family – a Euro-American family – that had migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago. In his best selling memoir ‘Dreams of my Father’, the author speaks warmly of an older black poet, he identifies simply as "Frank" as being a decisive influence in helping him to find his present identity
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Actually those pictures look a whole lot better than alot of American cities.

    Austria was listed as #3 on the Top 10 Happiest places on Earth.
    Austria was not behind the Iron Curtain...

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

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    Austria was not behind the Iron Curtain...
    That's true.
    But I was just throwing that out
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Actually those pictures look a whole lot better than alot of American cities.

    Austria was listed as #3 on the Top 10 Happiest places on Earth.
    Those "American cities"? Run by which party for the long haul?

    This isn't just one odd case where socialists have controlled the city and run it into the ground. This type of squalor is rampant. From Gdansk to Tirana, twenty years after the Iron Curtain fell, this is not the exception, it's the norm.

    The real tragic part is the second photo. The infrastructure you can repair, but the fork jammed into the brains of the masses by the Commi's has, as Solzhenitsyn noted in his writings, destroyed the souls of the people. It's been accomplished on a massive scale. Destroyed the fabric of society. Turned masses into drunks, thieves or just lazy.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Austria was listed as #3 on the Top 10 Happiest places on Earth.
    I like the Austrians aber, das glaub i nit.

    Must have polled the Austrians after a good day on the mountain, and a couple liters of glühwein.
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    It's true though, there are American cities that look much worse than that. And I've certainly seen workers standing around like that in America as well. The socialist entitlement mentality is no less pervasive here than in Europe.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Could someone explain to me the Socialism of the fellas in the orange apparel?

    I don't think I can make assumptions by them wearing orange apparel and standing around with one another....

    actually I can,
    They work, and they don't want to hit by cars.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Could someone explain to me the Socialism of the fellas in the orange apparel?

    I don't think I can make assumptions by them wearing orange apparel and standing around with one another....

    actually I can,
    They work, and they don't want to hit by cars.
    You have never worked with former Communists I see.
    I have on several occasions over the past 12-years.
    I've had significant contact with these people.

    The workers you see in the photo above... they are going all out!

    Here's a good example of the challenge there: A north EU country bought a business in a former Commi country and after a bit they did an extensive study of their purchase and the workers. They discovered, with a similar factory, same tooling etc., the former Commi's had a production rate 40% of their West EU company.

    This excited management, thinking about the "improvement" that would come, and improved profitability.

    LOL... three years later, they did not improve.

    Those socialist trained workers are one stubborn lot.

    At the latest project, we went through about 100 people over 18-months to get a dozen that were barely acceptable by Western standards. Of the dozen there was only one that would have been considered exceptional.
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