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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it's something a little more serious that socialism. It's FDR style socialism again, which was a wonderful mix of fascism and socialism. And when it comes to nationalization of private business, look out. I wouldn't be surprised to see the government try to grab that one either. We're in for a bad ride...too bad the other side didn't offer anything different.
    Did we reap the benefits of what you label as fascism and socialism? What led to what you call the fascism and socialism of FDR?

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Deregulation did not cause the economic problems.
    It contributed to the problems by allowing unfettered greed. Can you name a time and place that laissez-faire capitalism has worked?


    This doesn't even make sense. The porkulus package you support is exactly what will cause inflation and what will cause a depression.
    In your untrained opinion.

    You say Americans now have to pay their bills, yet all this "stimulus" garbage did was push a trillion dollars more debt onto future generations
    Would it be worse without the stimulus? The vast majority of economists seem to think so.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

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    It's an amazing thought process isn't it?
    You steal from the private sector, the section that creates jobs and spends cash, you steal from them... and then run it through the government bureaucracy (losing money along the way), and then you let 500 politically motivated people allocate the money where they believe it is best spent. Propping up losers. Paying back buddies. Giving people who don't pay taxes money... welfare checks.

    That ain't stimulus or plugging holes. Then again, I think those that voted for this bill are plugging about 300 million American holes.

    Some realize it, some don't, some will never realize what damage they voted into office.

    It's good the Republicans left the whole hole plugging operation to the Democrats. It's a start... (and then you hear something from the likes of Graham and you start losing hope all over again)
    When and where has your vision of economics ever worked?

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    It contributed to the problems by allowing unfettered greed. Can you name a time and place that laissez-faire capitalism has worked?
    It has to exist to work. I sure have seen though that manipulated capitalism hasn't worked

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Would it be worse without the stimulus? The vast majority of economists seem to think so.
    In your untrained opinion.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The only difference being that I've actually made an argument, whereas Khayembii is simply engaging in misrepresentation and ad hominem, AKA "trolling".

    And I would crush him in a lightsaber-duel, the force is strong with this one...

    hahahahahahahah

    You're played by Hayden Christensen
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    When and where has your vision of economics ever worked?
    "The recession of 1921-1923 proved to be the sharpest economic downturn since the emergence of the business cycle in the early 19th century, but it also was one of the shortest reversals. The government intervened to a greater extent, but wage rates were permitted to fall, and government expenditures and taxes were reduced. The recession was over in one year."

    1921 recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    See, even when our ideas are only partially implemented they work wonders.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    hahahahahahahah

    You're played by Hayden Christensen
    I'm strictly James Earl Jones. I broke ties with Star Wars after George Lucas decided money was more important than his creative integrity.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm strictly James Earl Jones. I broke ties with Star Wars after George Lucas decided money was more important than his creative integrity.
    So you're just a voice? Who was paid like $1,000 for Star Wars?

    More than I'll ever see
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nice try but the theoretical differences between Communism/Populism/Socialism/Marxism/Leninism or whatever other "ism" you care to name are irrelevant and meaningless. In practice they all end up the same way, huge government bureaucracy, terrible economy, and limited civil liberties. What difference does the label make?
    The problem is that you don't view society as a social compact and wish for a free-for-all economy. The only outcome for that is a wealthy merchant class and a poor servant class. Eventually, there is revolt because society needs socialism because we are social animals with empathy. Those without empathy only care about themselves.

    What's your tax bracket right now? Would you freely give up the same amount to private charity and private businesses to get the same level of services?
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    When and where has your vision of economics ever worked?
    I think this explains it best:


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