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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    THE definition according to whom?



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    Yes, listen to Khayembii, Arch. Do not converse with me as it will only be a waste of your time. Insulate yourself from opposing viewpoints and you will learn a great deal in life. Excellent advice.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Yes, listen to Khayembii, Arch. Do not converse with me as it will only be a waste of your time. Insulate yourself from opposing viewpoints and you will learn a great deal in life. Excellent advice.
    "Socialist govts fail cuz they intervened in the economy" is not an opposing viewpoint. Insulating oneself from idiocy is excellent advice.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "Socialist govts fail cuz they intervened in the economy" is not an opposing viewpoint. Insulating oneself from idiocy is excellent advice.
    Falsely attributing statements to me and insulting my intelligence are not considered legitimate debate tactics, but don't let that stop you from demonstrating your profound irrelevance and intellectual shortcomings.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Falsely attributing statements to me
    I didn't:

    Quote Originally Posted by You
    Socializing sectors of the economy and funding class-specific welfare programs at the expense of others is bad; it doesn't matter how one goes about it or what end they seek.
    and insulting my intelligence
    I didn't; I was referring to your politics/economics.

    are not considered legitimate debate tactics
    I wasn't debating you. In fact, I wasn't even originally talking to you.

    but don't let that stop you from demonstrating your profound irrelevance and intellectual shortcomings.
    Cool story bro.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    I'd much rather see y'all lightsaber fight til the death.

    I recognize both sides of the equation, and I assume caution whenever I support one and blame the other one for the mistakes. I also recognize the danger associated with both.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Not only have you demonstrated your utter inability to effectively engage in a debate, but you've also managed to demonstrate your unwillingness to be honest. For instance:

    "Socializing sectors of the economy and funding class-specific welfare programs at the expense of others is bad; it doesn't matter how one goes about it or what end they seek."

    Does not equal...

    "Socialist govts fail cuz they intervened in the economy."

    You see, when you use quotes in order to attribute a statement to another person it is generally considered idiotic and amateurish to alter said statement in any way. It is especially idiotic to alter the statement in a way that fails to communicate the original point accurately. This is basic intellectual honesty, I'm afraid; perhaps you can incorporate the concept of "intellectual honesty" into your repertoire.

    I didn't; I was referring to your politics/economics.
    That's odd. I wasn't aware that one could hold idiotic beliefs and not be an idiot; very interesting, sir, very interesting indeed.

    I wasn't debating you. In fact, I wasn't even originally talking to you.
    No, you were talking about me, hence my investment in the conversation.

    Cool story bro.
    Nice try, bro.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Every dollar of government spending is a dollar stolen from the pocket of a productive citizen.
    Government spending or federal government spending?
    When consumption and investment spending go down, taxes and spending should both be cut.
    You seem to think the government should stay out of the "free market" so why would you expect the government to change what it does when the "free market" does it's thing? IOW, if the two shouldn't be involved with each other then when FM consumption and investment spending go down it shouldn't matter to the government. Right?

    The only spending government should ever engage in is for the basic service necessities it is expected to, and not one cent more.
    OK, so what do you do for a living that doesn't use the public commons that was paid for and maintained by tax dollars. What do you do for a living?[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    The federal government runs your fire department?
    You said government and did not specify state or federal. Your local fire department gets federal tax dollars. So lets just say you mean state government. OK, the state needs to collect taxes from you for the police and fire dept. along with a myriad of other services you take for granted. But without federal monies your state taxes will have to go up in order to cover the federal loss.

    Transportation was 2% of the 2008 federal budget.
    What was the federal budget for 2008?

    In my opinion, not much, but per the Constitution there are a number of duties the federal government has. These are listed to exhaustion in the Constitution itself.
    List them for discussion. You apparently know right where all of them are.

    I'm sorry, are you trying to blame the housing bubble on something other than the massive government intervention in the economy that caused it?
    What intervention was that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Yes Obama is a Socialist. Yes his policies (esp social/economic/medical/etc) are Socialist.
    So you don't think they are necessary?

    Good news is Americans will only put up with it for so long before they tell the pusher to go to hell.
    Isn't that what just happened in the last 2 elections?

    Obama won't usher in an era of anything. He'll be out on his ass blaming whitey by 2012.
    What a racist comment that was. Why was that necessary or relevant to the discussion?

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I'd much rather see y'all lightsaber fight til the death.

    I recognize both sides of the equation, and I assume caution whenever I support one and blame the other one for the mistakes. I also recognize the danger associated with both.
    The only difference being that I've actually made an argument, whereas Khayembii is simply engaging in misrepresentation and ad hominem, AKA "trolling".

    And I would crush him in a lightsaber-duel, the force is strong with this one...


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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Bush promoted socialism in the United States through neo-liberalization, and his methodologies catered to corporate socialism: bailouts, deregulation, increasing of free trade.
    I won't blame Bush for all the economic problems, but he was one President in a string of several who sent the United States down a deregulatory path.
    Who were the other presidents in that long string?

    In order to patch the economy, further infusions of money are needed. The economy would head toward a depression anyway without a stimulus package, and people would be paying even more as inflation increases. So although the average joe is having to shoulder the cost of the stimulus package, it is actually a small amount compared to the decades of deficit-based spending that has caused the current situation.

    In short, Americans now have to pay their bills.
    You forget that the deficit was under control and had a projected surplus when Bush took office. But you are correct that we now have to pay for the bills run up in the last 8 years.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Nationalizing banks

    Nationalizing healthcare



    yeah, it's a start.
    Why is that happening?

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