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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So then no country on earth is socialist according to your definition. No country has an economy that is entirely state-owned. So this thread is basically pointless, according to you.
    Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
    What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
    What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.
    But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Yay more abstract political ideologies to deal with. What kind of "commi" are we talking about here? Which school of communism? Whose school of communism? Is it just communism modified, or Communism hammified?
    Nice try but the theoretical differences between Communism/Populism/Socialism/Marxism/Leninism or whatever other "ism" you care to name are irrelevant and meaningless. In practice they all end up the same way, huge government bureaucracy, terrible economy, and limited civil liberties. What difference does the label make?

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
    Anyone who lives in the United States knows what a socialist state looks like.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    But the problem we have in this thread is that people are using "Socialism" without any real idea of what it means, or how a Socialist State looks.
    We dont have that problem in this thread.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nice try but the theoretical differences between Communism/Populism/Socialism/Marxism/Leninism or whatever other "ism" you care to name are irrelevant and meaningless. In practice they all end up the same way, huge government bureaucracy, terrible economy, and limited civil liberties. What difference does the label make?
    Oh really?

    Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

    You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

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    Anyone who lives in the United States knows what a socialist state looks like.
    Then what's the point of a thread about "Ushering in an Era of Socialism" if we already live in a socialist state.
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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Then what's the point of a thread about "Ushering in an Era of Socialism" if we already live in a socialist state.
    I didn't start this thread, I was just responding to your statement.

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Oh really?

    Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

    You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
    I'm not interested in discussing how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin. Socialism, in its varying flavors, always results in the same thing despite the differences in their theoretical means and ends. You ascribe far more importance to the labels and theories of socialist sects than is necessary.

    Socializing sectors of the economy and funding class-specific welfare programs at the expense of others is bad; it doesn't matter how one goes about it or what end they seek.

    You're smart and open-minded but you're still relatively young. Eventually you'll come to see things our way just like I did long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Come to the Dark Side, my son. You know not the power of free-market economics...

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    Re: Are Obama's Policies Ushering in Era of Socialism? [EDIT]

    Its not MY definition -- is is THE definition.
    What the defintion does to the thread, in your eyes, is meaningless to me.
    THE definition according to whom?

    Oh really?

    Show me a Marxist state, and I will show you how they differ from Marxist ideology.

    You apparently do not understand the end-game (utopia) that Marx "predicted" (which is where communism comes from)... it is the lack of government.
    Etherial is a Lib; don't waste your time with him.

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