Thread: Israel engaged in covert war inside Iran: report

Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Israel engaged in covert war inside Iran: report - Yahoo! News


And what about all the ones that the Israeli secret operatives don't get caught or blamed for? I assume our western media will portray it as a terrorist element of Iran vying for control no matter what.

This article is creepy. If Iran was trying to nuke the world that would be scary. If their leader was telling the truth and they where only pursuing it for energy purposes then this is even scarier.

Yeah right, next you're gonna tell me the sky's blue!

Originally Posted by PeteEU

I sure hope not. We be close to the end of the world.

Using nuclear weapons is beyond insane. Any nation, Israel or Iran, using nukes, will go down in history along side Hitler. The amount of damage and collateral damage will be felt all around the world.

The areas nuked will be unliveable for generations, the people damaged for generations. The winds will take the fallout across the planet, over land making food for billions and cause mass starvation and death.

If you think that Israel nuking Iran or visa versa wont have environmental impact on the US.. think again. Even the fall out from Chernobyl reached the US.

That's why I feel that it is important to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, the fate of more than the middle east is at stake.

Originally Posted by PeteEU

I sure hope not. We be close to the end of the world.

hardly.

Using nuclear weapons is beyond insane. Any nation, Israel or Iran, using nukes, will go down in history along side Hitler.

Anyone... like Truman?

The amount of damage and collateral damage will be felt all around the world.
The areas nuked will be unliveable for generations, the people damaged for generations. The winds will take the fallout across the planet, over land making food for billions and cause mass starvation and death.

That depends -entirely- on how many nukes are used.

If you think that Israel nuking Iran or visa versa wont have environmental impact on the US.. think again. Even the fall out from Chernobyl reached the US.

The US and USSR tested nukes for decades. Some of them where very big and very dirty. What environmental impact was there on the US?

Originally Posted by PeteEU

I sure hope not. We be close to the end of the world.

Using nuclear weapons is beyond insane. Any nation, Israel or Iran, using nukes, will go down in history along side Hitler. The amount of damage and collateral damage will be felt all around the world.

The areas nuked will be unliveable for generations, the people damaged for generations. The winds will take the fallout across the planet, over land making food for billions and cause mass starvation and death.

If you think that Israel nuking Iran or visa versa wont have environmental impact on the US.. think again. Even the fall out from Chernobyl reached the US.

Looking up Chernobyl babies is enough to make anyone never want a nuke used.

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

I sure hope not. We be close to the end of the world.

nukes come in all ranges of power. A bombs are significantely less destructive than H bombs.

Using nuclear weapons is beyond insane.

At the current rate of proliferation it seems inevitable that they will be used in a future conflict.

Any nation, Israel or Iran, using nukes, will go down in history along side Hitler.

the US didn't, much to your chagrin I'm sure.

The amount of damage and collateral damage will be felt all around the world.

depends on the weapon, weather, and geography.

The areas nuked will be unliveable for generations, the people damaged for generations. The winds will take the fallout across the planet, over land making food for billions and cause mass starvation and death.

then why didn't this doomsday happen in 1945? That's right, because those nuclear weapons weren't very powerful. I doubt Israel would drop bombs to annihilate itself in the process, buts it possible if Iran were to attempt a total destruction of Israel. Afterall Israel did prep such weapons to be used on Egypt via trucks during their conflict as a saftey precaution.

Originally Posted by Goobieman

hardly.

Anyone... like Truman?

The nukes used in Japan were small compared to a modern nuke. But the ramifications are still felt today in the cities nuked. There are still being born deformed babies and the survivors still suffer from the after effects. And Truman will forever be remembered as the only leader to use a nuke on human beings. When I think of Truman, I dont think of him as a great leader than won WW2, but as the man who nuked Japan to end WW2.

That depends -entirely- on how many nukes are used.

And size... and where... and what winds there are at the time...

The US and USSR tested nukes for decades. Some of them where very big and very dirty. What environmental impact was there on the US?

Who knows. Seriously, you expect the government of the US, USSR, Britain, France and China to admit that their nuclear testing (above ground) had environmental effects on civilian areas, let alone in the areas they nuked?

Why take nuclear testing underground if there was no environmental problems? Last US above ground nuke was in 1962, last US nuke test in 1992.. why go underground? The Russians did the same. As did the Brits, French and Chinese?

I aint saying that there will be environmental damage to the US, but I am saying that there is a real possibility depending on size, where and when (wind wise) any nuclear explosion in Iran or Israel above ground. Chernobyl, a non explosion, covered most of Europe (to Southern France) with fallout and we are still seeing the impact of that today. Odd animal births (2 heads, 3 legs and so on) are just some of the issues that have been recorded in countries close to Ukraine.

But regardless that, the environmental damage to the region will impact the US financially, especially on the oil front. Remember Europe can live with high oil prices far better than the US can, as we have seen when oil was 130+ dollars a barrel. Thats not saying we will be immune though. As for the enviormental damage to places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and onwards, the whole Gulf region not to mention Eastern Europe and Northern Africa could easily be effected. We are talking about a very large portion of the worlds population.

But it all depends on wind, size and where.. and amount.

Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Israel engaged in covert war inside Iran: report - Yahoo! News


And what about all the ones that the Israeli secret operatives don't get caught or blamed for? I assume our western media will portray it as a terrorist element of Iran vying for control no matter what.

This article is creepy. If Iran was trying to nuke the world that would be scary. If their leader was telling the truth and they where only pursuing it for energy purposes then this is even scarier.

All major world powers have extensive espionage services. Its as paramount if not more than having a strong military. To think that these clandestine services perform act in virtuous and law abiding manners is to be truly detached from reality. Though, some are much more wiling to take drastic measures than others. Israel is no exception, in fact the Mossad are known to be both quite merciless and vicious yet undeniably effective.



As for Iran's nuke"uller" program I suspect they intend to be in a position where sometime in the future they can easily turn their "peaceful program" into a full blown arms program. All they need is the right stimulus and propaganda as justification. Then they will blame others for "forcing" them to make weapons to "defend" their peace loving selves. E.G. US aggression or israeli nukes, or [insert excuse here].

Times running out Europe. Your children will ask why you were so blind to the obvious dangers of nuclear proliferation.

Originally Posted by scourge99

the US didn't, much to your chagrin I'm sure.

The US wrote the history books, what you expect. But had someone nuked the US, and the US wrote the history books... then you bet that the person would be on the same level as Hitler.

Originally Posted by PeteEU

Truman will forever be remembered as the only leader to use a nuke on human beings.

How many people died from firebombing tokyo?

When I think of Truman, I dont think of him as a great leader than won WW2, but as the man who nuked Japan to end WW2.

of course YOU don't. You are far to anti-american to render worthy opinions on anything American. But I'm sure you know that, as well as most on this board, already.

Who knows. Seriously, you expect the government of the US, USSR, Britain, France and China to admit that their nuclear testing (above ground) had environmental effects on civilian areas, let alone in the areas they nuked?

not for propaganda purposes as you would like, no. The US has paid civilians in the Marshall Islands for their suffering. Perhaps you should look into what reparations have been made instead of whining about events that you know little about.

Originally Posted by PeteEU

The US wrote the history books, what you expect. But had someone nuked the US, and the US wrote the history books... then you bet that the person would be on the same level as Hitler.

So Spanish history books compare truman to Hitler?

Stick a fork in it, you're done.