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    Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Just another weekend in Europe.

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    “What impresses me is that these young people are organizing themselves, that they have ideals,” Gerd said.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    god dammit, skinhead and nazi are not synonyms.

    many of the original skinheads were in fact black.

    why can't the media make the barest attempt to ****ing wiki skinhead and see what the subculture actually is.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Just another weekend in Europe.

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    Sounds like some community organizing going on.
    I wonder what they had to eat for breakfast?
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    There should be mourning over Dresden. The firebombing of the Florence of the Elbe killed as many as 100,000 people, making it the greatest loss of life until Hiroshima. Yes, Germany was our enemy, but even in war, such a loss of life must be remembered so that, hopefully, it can serve as a reminder of the horrors of war.

    The problem is who ran the event - Nazis, who have desecrated the memories of all who died in that bombing.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

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    There should be mourning over Dresden. The firebombing of the Florence of the Elbe killed as many as 100,000 people, making it the greatest loss of life until Hiroshima. Yes, Germany was our enemy, but even in war, such a loss of life must be remembered so that, hopefully, it can serve as a reminder of the horrors of war.
    I'll agree, but I have a problem with the protesters of the fire bombing, or those that call this a war crime. The Germans asked for a war and they got one.

    Too bad the pacifists didn't heed Churchill's years of warning.

    The problem is who ran the event - Nazis, who have desecrated the memories of all who died in that bombing.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I'll agree, but I have a problem with the protesters of the fire bombing, or those that call this a war crime. The Germans asked for a war and they got one.

    Too bad the pacifists didn't heed Churchill's years of warning.

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    Actually, Churchill condemned the firebombing of Dresden, which was planned and executed by Sir Arthur Harris.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    I'll have to somewhat agree with Danarhea here. This should be remembered as one of the horrors of war.

    WWII and previous wars we were not oppossed to the concept of "total war". The civilian aspect was as much a part of a fighting country's war machine as its soldiers. Bomber Harris was in the right to have obliterated the city due to its critical wartime components. However, the fleeing refugees put it in a seriously bad light. I think the key here is "fleeing" as throughout the war various civilian infrastructure were fair game. We've since given up the "total war" concept and put laws in place to keep it from happening. Granted I think we are wrong to do so but thats another thread altogether.

    I wonder if the Japanese have rememberance days for the firebombing of Tokyo? Those were much more effective firebombing campaigns.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There should be mourning over Dresden. The firebombing of the Florence of the Elbe killed as many as 100,000 people, making it the greatest loss of life until Hiroshima. Yes, Germany was our enemy, but even in war, such a loss of life must be remembered so that, hopefully, it can serve as a reminder of the horrors of war.

    The problem is who ran the event - Nazis, who have desecrated the memories of all who died in that bombing.
    Over 100,000 were killed in the firebombings of Tokyo.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Over 100,000 were killed in the firebombings of Tokyo.
    Yep.
    They wanted war too, and got it.

    WWII and previous wars we were not oppossed to the concept of "total war". The civilian aspect was as much a part of a fighting country's war machine as its soldiers. Bomber Harris was in the right to have obliterated the city due to its critical wartime components. However, the fleeing refugees put it in a seriously bad light. I think the key here is "fleeing" as throughout the war various civilian infrastructure were fair game. We've since given up the "total war" concept and put laws in place to keep it from happening. Granted I think we are wrong to do so but thats another thread altogether.
    We've become prisoners of "accurate war". Sometimes I think if we hadn't progressed so far with weapons development it would be easier for us to achieve "compliance" and victory.

    Now a few civilians get killed, or what we are told by the press to be civilians, and the outcry from the pacifists and those who engaged in battle is plastered all over the tube.
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    Re: Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yep.
    They wanted war too, and got it.
    I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss. It was war and it was a horrible situation to be in. Certain things had to be done, but being so gleeful over what we would 100% call acts of terrorism now I'm not so sure is ok. It's definitely something we should learn from, it's a horrible thing to have had to do and we should work as hard as possible to avoid future problems which could lead to such actions. This was not one of the highlights of our country's distinguished existence. War or no, this is definitely a blight upon our record.
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