That's not utopian anything, it's measured fact. Human is human, and humanity is not a static race. There's nothing "utopian" about that, it's just the way nature programed us.
We are programmed for peace? Then why all the war?
Some are programmed for peace, some for murder, some for compassion, and all to different degrees.
We are individuals, not some form of ameobic collective.
Sometimes war is necessary, but that doesn't make war right. War is still an evil. Again, you seem to have a hard time with this concept.
War is right when it is necessary. Otherwise you have the masses either enslaved or dead. Like what happened when we pulled out of Vietnam.
Just because you're forced into something doesn't make your actions right or just.
Oh yes it does. Not only just but noble.
War is evil, there is no bones about it.
War is hell. Evil?
Maybe it is necessary, but don't pretend it to be something else, and don't sit there and think we're so awesome for being able to kill another side better.
I don't sit in awe, but thinking about what we can do is pretty awesome. Yet we are benevolent.
Nor am I, but I do know right from wrong.
Perhaps. But it seems you are challenged with moral and amoral.
Pretty sure he said to not judge, to love thy neighbor, to turn the other cheek.
Pretty sure isn't good enough. I do believe there is something in there about not being a coward.
Christianity is one of the hardest to live up to and I believe many really fail at it.
We all fail at it as we are human. Mere flesh and blood.
It's a religion of peace, forgiveness, and pacifism at heart; and those qualities are hard to live up to when you fill your heart with hate.
I'm not a guy filled with "hate". But when we are attacked, when our way of life and our close friends are in jeopardy, then we should beat the aggressor into submission.
The go home.
We did something along these lines in Afghanistan. We supplied arms, let the locals do the heavy lifting, and then left them alone afterwards. The we get smacked for not doing more. In other areas we stick around and people want us to leave.
Then you only perpetuate a cycle.
Appeasement is what perpetuates the cycle. Only when someone dominates the other is there peace. Japan, Germany, Italy all come to mind. Iraq and Afghanistan too.
I don't know if you can see that you are engaging in behavior you are rallying against. The other side does X, so you have to do X. We are right in doing X because the other side is doing X.
No, no, no. If the other side is doing "x", I want our side to do "x" to the power of 10.
We should be armed to the teeth because the other side is armed to the teeth. It's a morality of hypocrisy and one that will only cause the circle to keep going. It's short sighted tomfoolery and nothing more.
Yes. We should be
prepared to avenge any and all enemies that think they can take us on.
Your philosophy is one of pacifism. It ensures you will be ripe for the picking. In a world of Nature, the weak get it in the neck first.
Bzzt. Germany had democracy before, it would have had it again regardless. Same with Italy.
Perhaps, but at what cost? Slavery, oppression, control, loss of free speech, and cultural decay.
As I stated earlier, you could have been a model brown shirt. A Peace Keeper for the Third Reich.
The people of Japan had to accept the government they created otherwise that government wouldn't have stood. So it's more their power than ours.
They were defeated, denounced a God and got a government. Through submission to a greater military power did this occur.
BS. This is the point. You are so blind in your hatred that you won't look at the whole problem.
I have no hate.
I don't walk around hating.
I dislike socialism with a passion, but I don't hate the people. I think they're morons that's all.
But you've started a circle of death and destruction and happily keep that circle going and in the end you breed exactly what you are fighting against.
I've started nothing.
I support defensive measures.
If it requires our best men and women engaging in battle, they and the president can usually count on my full support.
It's idiotic in the end, a pointless and never ending endeavor.
The point is survival.
The point is defending freedom.
You think we can go anywhere we want, do whatever we want, take whatever we want without consequence? Foolishness.
Did we invade Kanuckistan to the north? Are you one of the escapees?
The people over there didn't wake up one day and say "Hey, Akbar, you know who sucks....America!". You only get that when people mess with your ****, and the West as a whole has been doing it for quite some time.
Akbar & Co. (whoever he is) are as logical as Hitler and his followers.
It's pure idiocy to say they hate us for who we are and how we live.
Maybe idiocy for you, but it's true.
People kill and maim because that's what they've been taught.
Damn, I missed that class in school. Was it before lunch or after?
Or because others mess with their stuff.
Yeah, Carlin warned me about this.
I musta smoked one too many.
Sorry.
I forgot.
I'll be sure not to touch their "stuff" next time.
YouTube - George Carlin Talks About "Stuff"
But what we've done in the past does not define in full our future. Humans learn and grow, our base knowledge grows, our societies grow.
True.
That's how we got the A-bomb, the MOAB, the B1 bomber, patriot missile system.
I love knowledge, especially when our enemies are still trying to steal it 30-years after the fact.
We are not a stagnate race
That's good because I was thinking that smelly air was the next village.
in the past we were primitive and stupid and fought a lot like all primitive and stupid things. While we may not be able to fully do away with war for it's near impossible to do away with in total stupid, we can certainly learn how to break your cycle; to decrease war and focus more on creation than destruction. Humanity has that potential, we just need the resolve to do it.
I think Obama needs you.
Right now.
It sounds like you have the key to unleash World Peace, and deny us those great Miss America Pageant answers.
I think he could make you The Tzar of Peace.
You seem to have it all figured out.
Once you tell him what is what he'll send you over to talk with I'minaJihad, Hamas and Hezbollah.
BUT... before that, he'll have you go to Pakistan and Afghanistan to sort out the matters there.
I can see it now:
IKARI BRINGS WORLD PEACE
New and Improved System
You define your morality by victor and by what's being done to you.
I define victory by victory.
Evil men can and have won too.
It's a very childish sense of morality.
Did you know it's racist to speak about Obama's Foreign and Domestic Policy that way?
Tokyo was already destroyed at that point. Have you not been paying attention? The firebombing of Tokyo that killed more that 100,000 civilians.
There was still a lot of people to kill and infrastructure to destroy if so desired. Only half the city was destroyed.
How much pain and suffering did you inflict upon a people.
When it comes to ours or theirs... they can have all the pain and suffering. They asked for a war... they get it.
You think the pain and suffering of others is ok so long as you aren't the on in pain or suffering.
NO.
I wish nobody would have to endure pain, suffering or war.
That isn't the reality of life, and so long as there are people who seek the destruction of, or seek to dominate through militaristic force, then I want THEM to suffer until they submit.
I want Victory and then to get on with a peaceful life for the soldiers, and the nation...
of both countries.
Against us bad, by us good. Wishy washy, useless morals.
?
Pardon?
I'm skating through this and it seems this is contradictory to previous posts, but I can't say I'm surprised.
Nature gave us complex brain capable of all sorts of abstract thought, engage it.
Then use it.
Self defense is not an exotic topic.
Neville Chamberlain wasn't that long ago.
Nor was Bill Clinton.
Feast on that for a few minutes.
I live in no fantasy world. I want to build something different, one that doesn't necessarily go to war as first response.
You world isn't fantasy, it's beyond fantasy.
Sorry. I call 'em as I see 'em.
You can't understand my point because you are blind to it.
I understand it loud and clear.
It's dangerous.
Naive.
Utopian.
You make it as if I am saying never war, but those aren't my words. I am a pacifist in that I think war is a last resort.
Well we agree on a few things here.
You are a pacifist.
And you entire posts are in defense of NO WAR/
Now this?
I think war should be a last resort.
(Now ask me about the "pre-emptive" strike in Iraq...)
It's the opposite of what you say, I'm willing to fight evil. Killing isn't right, it's not a good action, it is an evil action. Regardless of what justification you think you have, even if you have no choice, it's still immoral. If forced to do immoral things, one should question what got them to that point and to try to avoid that in the future. Learn from the mistakes and move forward, that is the human way. Muslims don't hate us because we are who we are. They hate us because they too have people like you, and the lot of you keep this cycle of hate and destruction rolling. Somewhere in the past this circle started up, and we haven't learned enough to let it go.
Yet you think it's perfectly moral to do this to others.
I've said America is a great country because it is BENEVOLENT.
We could control the world, or could have.
All it would take is the launch of a few nukes.
Kill and destroy. Roll over other's family and friends and neighbors.
Fight them and tear their heart out. So long as we're doing it it's moral, if they're doing it then it's immoral. That is why your morality is useless.
I think you're confused a lot.
War isn't immoral if an enemy has engaged you WHICH IS WHAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG.
I've said it's immoral not to fight back.
And if you engage in war, then WIN.
The faster the better.
Ikari... I think you've got some thinking to do.