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Chavez now can reelect himself for life

Then be a man and go murder him yourself, or, if you prefer, shut the hell up and stop advocating the murder of democratically elected political figures who displease you. :)

I do not live in Venezuela nor will I ever, I do however fear for the people of that country.
The people who elected him, I'm sure think they are enlightened and educated but they fail in so many ways.

History has shown us what happens in situations like this and I for one don't want to go through another "never forget" situation.

I'm not one to just lightly call for the death of another person, but frankly I can't see any other way to handle this dangerous man.
 
History has shown us what happens in situations like this and I for one don't want to go through another "never forget" situation.
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I think you are going a bit overboard here. He has made some unsavoury moves, so did Tony Blair and George Bush. I don't think that makes it likely he is to be the next Hitler just yet. let's get some bloody perspective people. I still remember Vader idiotic suggestion that Chavez needs to be invaded now just in case he starts invading countries left right and centre.
 
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I think you are going a bit overboard here. He has made some unsavoury moves, so did Tony Blair and George Bush. I don't think that makes it likely he is to be the next Hitler just yet. let's get some bloody perspective people.

I despise the movements he has made so far.

I don't think he may be another Hitler but he has the potential to devastate his own economy causing the entirety of his nation to fall farther into poverty.

He has consolidated power, that is obvious and dangerous.
 
I despise the movements he has made so far.
I think they are mixed. He is not your type of libertarian perhaps but I'm someone who worries more about decentralising power than whether this action is done behind a veil of Lockean property rights, local syndicalism or whatever and from my perspective he does seem to have made some actions that led to more decentralisation of power, taking power away from basically fuedal landowners that previous states had installed and from TNCs and putting in the local peasantry and workers.

On the other hand he has made moves against opposition media, for centralised control of some parts of the economy and obvious his seeming attempts to cling to power.

So unless someone is a rather silly, uncompromisng Rothbardian or whatever then he can be seen to be a mixed bag.

I don't think he may be another Hitler but he has the potential to devastate his own economy causing the entirety of his nation to fall farther into poverty.
I'm no expert but I think he has actually improved things, not that that is an excuse for some of his actions.

He has consolidated power, that is obvious and dangerous.
Sort of. He has made moves that grant the central gov't more power and others which remove it from various semi-fuedal magnates and TNCs and place it in decentralised associations of workers and peasantry. I'm broad in my tolerance of libertarianism and decentralism, I don't only support those who conform to a narrow, set plan, I for instance think quite a lot of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war and in Russia, so I can certainly have sympathy for some of his moves or the moves of his movement.
 
I think they are mixed. He is not your type of libertarian perhaps but I'm someone who worries more about decentralising power than whether this action is done behind a veil of Lockean property rights, local syndicalism or whatever and from my perspective he does seem to have made some actions that led to more decentralisation of power, taking power away from basically fuedal landowners that previous states had installed and from TNCs and putting in the local peasantry and workers.

On the other hand he has made moves against opposition media, for centralised control of some parts of the economy and obvious his seeming attempts to cling to power.

So unless someone is a rather silly, uncompromisng Rothbardian or whatever then he can be seen to be a mixed bag.

I'm no expert but I think he has actually improved things, not that that is an excuse for some of his actions.

Sort of. He has made moves that grant the central gov't more power and others which remove it from various semi-fuedal magnates and TNCs and place it in decentralised associations of workers and peasantry. I'm broad in my tolerance of libertarianism and decentralism, I don't only support those who conform to a narrow, set plan, I for instance think quite a lot of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war and in Russia, so I can certainly have sympathy for some of his moves or the moves of his movement.

Since I can't seriously predict his next moves with any real accuracy I look to the other leaders he is friends with.

Particularly his friendship with Kirchner family of presidents.
 
Since I can't seriously predict his next moves with any real accuracy I look to the other leaders he is friends with.
I think he has probably reached the end of his positive contributions personally. One cannot know but I agree that the negatives are likely to increase far over any future positives but I doubt he'll be "tyrannical", just slightly unsavoury and slightly authoritarian and centralist.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The title of this thread is misleading.

Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The title of this thread is misleading.

Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.

It still invites political corruption and tyranny.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The title of this thread is misleading.

Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.

right because elections in south america are famous for being legit and above board.
 
Chavez needs to be stopped.

Chavez needs to be contained by strengthening pro-democratic ideas in that part of the world and trying to increase trade with his neighbors. If he acts up, use sanctions. If he tries to fight, use military force.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The title of this thread is misleading.

Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.


I agree that he isn't entirely in control, however, he has control over the election office and the media.

With power in both of those entities he can almost be assured to win.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

I think democracy their is the problem.

Democracy is not the problem. I think that uneducated people and democracy don't mix, but Venezuelans are hardly uneducated. I think it's Chavez and his control over all of the interests in Venezuela that are cause for alarm much more so than Democracy.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Democracy is not the problem. I think that uneducated people and democracy don't mix, but Venezuelans are hardly uneducated. I think it's Chavez and his control over all of the interests in Venezuela that are cause for alarm much more so than Democracy.

You can't make people learn true criticism or learn to objectively review things but its really easy to teach people populism and how its great for everyone.

Democracy doesn't have a place in this world yet, we are not evolved enough to handle it responsibly.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

You can't make people learn true criticism or learn to objectively review things but its really easy to teach people populism and how its great for everyone.

Democracy doesn't have a place in this world yet, we are not evolved enough to handle it responsibly.

In my opinion I have not yet seen a country that has democracy as it's basis. I mean the U.S. (for example) is a Representative Republic where only a few people make policy decisions (albeit they are elected by their local populace.) I don't think that people have been given a real chance to see if they are ready for democracy.

Although you can't make people learn true criticism, I don't know if you or I are qualified to make that call.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

In my opinion I have not yet seen a country that has democracy as it's basis. I mean the U.S. (for example) is a Representative Republic where only a few people make policy decisions (albeit they are elected by their local populace.) I don't think that people have been given a real chance to see if they are ready for democracy.

It worked ok for the Greek city states but that is because they were a small governing body.

Although you can't make people learn true criticism, I don't know if you or I are qualified to make that call.

Sure you can, if someone does something that is irrational, based totally on emotion and not logical you can definitely call that untrue criticism.
 
Chavez needs to be contained by strengthening pro-democratic ideas in that part of the world and trying to increase trade with his neighbors. If he acts up, use sanctions. If he tries to fight, use military force.

Fair enough. Your proposal is acceptable
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Democracy is not the problem. I think that uneducated people and democracy don't mix, but Venezuelans are hardly uneducated. I think it's Chavez and his control over all of the interests in Venezuela that are cause for alarm much more so than Democracy.

Bull****. Intervening in another country because some think he is slightly unsavoury is foolish and a great danger to domestic liberty and external security. Imagine if China and Russia acted the same way!
 
The education is the problem, most venezolans didn't have any kind of edeucation before. Chavez brings education, but not a normal education, a socialist one. They study socialism, revolutions, communism and the bad points of capitalism, the same here in Colombia, I had a socialist teacher last year, and he was also gay!! that was horrible because what he said was always the opposite of truth.
 
The U.S. lacks the power to dethrone all dictators, and that has never been its objective anyway. Dictators have served U.S. interests in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. The only way Venezuela would be threatened by the U.S. at this point is if Chavez were to cut off the oil supply.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Bull****. Intervening in another country because some think he is slightly unsavoury is foolish and a great danger to domestic liberty and external security. Imagine if China and Russia acted the same way!

You expect me to believe that China and Russia don't act that way?! What about Georgia?
 
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