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Chavez now can reelect himself for life

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Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Today, in Venezuela the people voted a referendum. Chavez won with 54,4% of the votes and now can be re-elected for life just like Fidel Castro!!

War with Colombia is now more possible than ever...
 
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Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

I heard Obama called him up for pointers...







Just kidding ;)


I'm sure the columbians are not happy campers with this turn of events.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

I'm sure the columbians are not happy campers with this turn of events.

Why would they even care? They don't live in Colombia.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Today, in Venezuela the people voted a referendum. Chavez won with 54,4% of the votes and now can be re-elected for life just like Fidel Castro!!

War with Colombia is now more possible than ever...

I was hoping this wouldn't pass. Dolores Huerta must be beside herself with joy.

link?
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Today, in Venezuela the people voted a referendum. Chavez won with 54,4% of the votes and now can be re-elected for life just like Fidel Castro!!

War with Colombia is now more possible than ever...

I'll fix that for you. :2wave:

Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez won a referendum to eliminate term limits Sunday, paving the way for him to run again in 2012 and beyond to push through his vision of a socialist Venezuela.

"This victory saved the revolution," said Gonzalo Mosqueda, a 60-year-old shopkeeper, sipping rum from a plastic cup outside the palace. "Without it everything would be at risk — all the social programs, and everything he has done for the poor."

Venezuela's leftist allies in Latin America have followed the model. Ecuador pushed through a new constitution in September and Bolivia did so in January. Both loosened rules on presidential re-election. Nicaragua's ruling Sandinistas also plan to propose an amendment that would let Daniel Ortega run for another consecutive term.

Chavez warned his opponents — whom he calls "sore losers" — to respect the results.

"Any attempt to take us down the path of violence, by failing to recognize the results of the people's will, will be neutralized," he said.

This is so telling how people soon forget the history of the world.

I love this one especially "Without it everything would be at risk — all the social programs, and everything he has done for the poor."

The social programs are what matters most and not individual freedom.

I honestly think he should be assassinated.

Then the douche bag in Bolivia may need some lead love to.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

thank you harry guerrilla!


edit: I agree, he may have to be...rubbed out.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

I'll fix that for you. :2wave:

Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela

This is so telling how people soon forget the history of the world.

I love this one especially "Without it everything would be at risk — all the social programs, and everything he has done for the poor."

The social programs are what matters most and not individual freedom.

I honestly think he should be assassinated.

Then the douche bag in Bolivia may need some lead love to.

How quickly do some Libertarians turn into Neo-Cons and start supporting interventionism of everything they don't support.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

Not at all. Its perfectly Libertarian to hope someone who is a tyrant to his own people to get killed by his own people.

So wait. Is he a tyrant according to what you consider a tyrant? Good to know.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

So wait. Is he a tyrant according to what you consider a tyrant? Good to know.

He certainly could be considered one.

The founders of our country considered King George a tyrant and we put up with more **** than they had to under him.

Its all about perspective.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

War with Colombia seems only a stone-throw away, and so is his "Socialist-Revolution" for Venezuela.

Gah, I hate Chavez.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

:lol: at Hautey defending Chavez. I guess he did not get the liberal memo that he aint as cool as he used to be when he was bashing bush.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.

You got it right, the people voted and they decided that if they like what he's doing they can keep voting him back into office. How is this not democratic? Oh right, because it's not the way we do it... :roll:
 
Eh, who cares? The people get what they deserve. They want a dictator without term limits (yeah, no possibility of corruption there) then give 'em a dictator with no term limits. Just don't go giving them any of my money once they drive themselves into poverty.
 
The big problem I think is disinterest in Latin American in general and lack of perspective. That of course you rightly criticize can Chavez for many thing. But what easily forgotten in the smearing him as the bad guy of Latin America is that confidence in democracy is less common in other Latin American countries and that the confidence in democracy have increased in Venezuela under Chavez.

The Latinobarómetro poll | Democracy and the downturn | The Economist

To the issue at hand it's common in many strong democracies to not have a term limit. That it works well in many cases the problem at hand here is that so much power is central around Chavez himself.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.

You assume to much. I'm not a fan of the American election process nor am I happy with any of our leadership.

Populist democracy is dangerous and the people are foolish.

I personally don't like to throw human lives around liberally and I don't generally call for their destruction.

Cases like this are different though. I'm sick and tired of dumb asses making the tyranny of the majority ok through "democracy".

The mass tyrants need to be reigned in.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.

It is called impeachment. And it is you who wants to make this country to be "a shining beacon of democracy". There is no difference between Obama - and "Without it everything would be at risk — all the social programs, and everything he has done for the poor," - this is exactly what Obama run on with all the millions invested, given away to agitate the mob. Chavez exactly demonstrates how dangerious is the path of democracy Democrats have been pushing us to.
 
Eh, who cares? The people get what they deserve. They want a dictator without term limits (yeah, no possibility of corruption there) then give 'em a dictator with no term limits. Just don't go giving them any of my money once they drive themselves into poverty.

This is right on the money; 30% inflation and climbing and the future of Venezuela has only more of the same economic malaise to look forward to.

The people of Venezuela have indeed spoken, assuming no irregularities in voting, and they get what they deserve.

Chavez's rule will go the same way as many others who use the poor to spread Socialism; down the sewer. This will lead to another revolution of the people revolting against the lies of Chavez. Hopefully it will not be a military one but instead be a people's revolt.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.

It is almost as entertaining as the American Left's adoration of Chavez with his socialist revolution agenda. What has it gotten the people of Venezuela? High unemployment and 30% inflation with NO hope for the future because his regime has run off about every legitimate company who would consider doing business in a country that can decide the next day to take over their assets and nationalize their efforts.

Venezuela is heading for a sewer because of the failed ideas and policies of a mentally challenged Socialist who wants to become dictator and uses the ignorance of the poor to propel himself to that position.

Unemployment rate:
9.1% (2007 est.)
Population below poverty line:
37.9% (end 2005 est.)
Inflation rate (consumer prices):
20.7% (Year ending November 2007)

Economy - overview:
Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for roughly 90% of export earnings, more than 50% of the federal budget revenues, and around 30% of GDP. …..record government spending helped to boost GDP in 2006 by about 9% and in 2007 by about 8%. This spending, combined with recent minimum wage hikes and improved access to domestic credit, has created a consumption boom but has come at the cost of higher inflation-roughly 20 percent in 2007. Imports also have jumped significantly. Embolden by his December 2006 reelection, President Hugo CHAVEZ in 2007 nationalized firms in the petroleum, communications, and electricity sectors, which reduced foreign influence in the economy. CHAVEZ still has significant control of the economy and has indicated he intends to continue to consolidate and centralize authority over the economy by implementing "21st Century Socialism."

Venezuela Economy 2008, CIA World Factbook
 
Chavez is a despot and from what I understand (from only cursory interest in articles on BBC) fairly incompetent in running his country's oil economy (why is every oil exporting nation run by assholes?) but compared to say...Pinochet he's not so bad.

And we all know how much the right loved Pinochet. Of course they also loved Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden...at one point.

This is not a defense of Chavez, it is however some context for those who argue for intervention into Venezuela based on moral appeal alone.
 
And we all know how much the right loved Pinochet. Of course they also loved Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden...at one point.

The right loved Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden? This is beyond absurd, it is stupid. Got any proof of this Right love affair with despots?


This is not a defense of Chavez, it is however some context for those who argue for intervention into Venezuela based on moral appeal alone.

Who is making an argument for intervention in Venezuela???

Good lord, I always wonder why people constantly make up their own arguments no one is making.
 
Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

You assume to much. I'm not a fan of the American election process nor am I happy with any of our leadership.

Populist democracy is dangerous and the people are foolish.

I personally don't like to throw human lives around liberally and I don't generally call for their destruction.

Cases like this are different though. I'm sick and tired of dumb asses making the tyranny of the majority ok through "democracy".

The mass tyrants need to be reigned in.

And America should be doing the reigning in?
 
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