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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think they are mixed. He is not your type of libertarian perhaps but I'm someone who worries more about decentralising power than whether this action is done behind a veil of Lockean property rights, local syndicalism or whatever and from my perspective he does seem to have made some actions that led to more decentralisation of power, taking power away from basically fuedal landowners that previous states had installed and from TNCs and putting in the local peasantry and workers.

    On the other hand he has made moves against opposition media, for centralised control of some parts of the economy and obvious his seeming attempts to cling to power.

    So unless someone is a rather silly, uncompromisng Rothbardian or whatever then he can be seen to be a mixed bag.

    I'm no expert but I think he has actually improved things, not that that is an excuse for some of his actions.

    Sort of. He has made moves that grant the central gov't more power and others which remove it from various semi-fuedal magnates and TNCs and place it in decentralised associations of workers and peasantry. I'm broad in my tolerance of libertarianism and decentralism, I don't only support those who conform to a narrow, set plan, I for instance think quite a lot of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war and in Russia, so I can certainly have sympathy for some of his moves or the moves of his movement.
    Since I can't seriously predict his next moves with any real accuracy I look to the other leaders he is friends with.

    Particularly his friendship with Kirchner family of presidents.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Since I can't seriously predict his next moves with any real accuracy I look to the other leaders he is friends with.
    I think he has probably reached the end of his positive contributions personally. One cannot know but I agree that the negatives are likely to increase far over any future positives but I doubt he'll be "tyrannical", just slightly unsavoury and slightly authoritarian and centralist.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    The title of this thread is misleading.

    Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Chavez needs to be stopped.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The title of this thread is misleading.

    Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.
    It still invites political corruption and tyranny.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The title of this thread is misleading.

    Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.
    right because elections in south america are famous for being legit and above board.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Chavez needs to be stopped.
    Chavez needs to be contained by strengthening pro-democratic ideas in that part of the world and trying to increase trade with his neighbors. If he acts up, use sanctions. If he tries to fight, use military force.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The title of this thread is misleading.

    Chavez would still have to run for election after each term, and Venezuelans can elect someone else during this time. All this means is that politicians don't have to end their political careers after 4-8 years, and can run again. The public still decides.

    I agree that he isn't entirely in control, however, he has control over the election office and the media.

    With power in both of those entities he can almost be assured to win.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It still invites political corruption and tyranny.
    This is true and the real defeat for "democracy" in Venezuela.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    This is true and the real defeat for "democracy" in Venezuela.
    I think democracy their is the problem.
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