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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    No. On the contrary he,s brought around alot of benefits.On what evidence could he be considered tyranical?
    Consolidation of power and the undercover monetary support of FARC and Argentina's family presidents.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I hope we never go down this path of removing term limits. To me, there is something inherentley dangerous for giving someone the ability to be elected for life.
    In fact, I rather like( I believe it was Reagan that proposed it, I may be wrong ) that our president serve 1, 6 year limit. I also would rather see term limits for Reps, and Senators. The power and corruption of government is too great, to allow people to work within it for a long period of time.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

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    The founding fathers of the USA were freemasons...
    And? What's your point?
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    No. On the contrary he,s brought around alot of benefits.On what evidence could he be considered tyranical?
    I wouldn't say he is tyrannical and in fact some of his reforms seem to have taken power from more centralised unaccountable sources like TNCs and placed them in a decentralised fashion in local sections of the population. But on the other hand he has made some authoritarian moves like cracking down on some media outlets that criticise him, some centralisation of power in the country and some attempts to hold on to power indefinitely like this one seem dubious to me. So althogether he is a mixed bag in my book.

    I realise though that it is the movement as much as Chavez that has achieved the good things in the country and I tend to think his trying to use that to keep power is not noble deed. Without Chavez in charge I think the movement could easily keep going, perhaps better for it.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just want a person who enjoys the risks and fruits of liberty to end his pathetic existence.
    Then be a man and go murder him yourself, or, if you prefer, shut the hell up and stop advocating the murder of democratically elected political figures who displease you.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Then be a man and go murder him yourself, or, if you prefer, shut the hell up and stop advocating the murder of democratically elected political figures who displease you.
    I do not live in Venezuela nor will I ever, I do however fear for the people of that country.
    The people who elected him, I'm sure think they are enlightened and educated but they fail in so many ways.

    History has shown us what happens in situations like this and I for one don't want to go through another "never forget" situation.

    I'm not one to just lightly call for the death of another person, but frankly I can't see any other way to handle this dangerous man.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    History has shown us what happens in situations like this and I for one don't want to go through another "never forget" situation.
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    I think you are going a bit overboard here. He has made some unsavoury moves, so did Tony Blair and George Bush. I don't think that makes it likely he is to be the next Hitler just yet. let's get some bloody perspective people. I still remember Vader idiotic suggestion that Chavez needs to be invaded now just in case he starts invading countries left right and centre.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    And? What's your point?
    Damn boy, didn't you watch National Treasure?
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think you are going a bit overboard here. He has made some unsavoury moves, so did Tony Blair and George Bush. I don't think that makes it likely he is to be the next Hitler just yet. let's get some bloody perspective people.
    I despise the movements he has made so far.

    I don't think he may be another Hitler but he has the potential to devastate his own economy causing the entirety of his nation to fall farther into poverty.

    He has consolidated power, that is obvious and dangerous.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I despise the movements he has made so far.
    I think they are mixed. He is not your type of libertarian perhaps but I'm someone who worries more about decentralising power than whether this action is done behind a veil of Lockean property rights, local syndicalism or whatever and from my perspective he does seem to have made some actions that led to more decentralisation of power, taking power away from basically fuedal landowners that previous states had installed and from TNCs and putting in the local peasantry and workers.

    On the other hand he has made moves against opposition media, for centralised control of some parts of the economy and obvious his seeming attempts to cling to power.

    So unless someone is a rather silly, uncompromisng Rothbardian or whatever then he can be seen to be a mixed bag.

    I don't think he may be another Hitler but he has the potential to devastate his own economy causing the entirety of his nation to fall farther into poverty.
    I'm no expert but I think he has actually improved things, not that that is an excuse for some of his actions.

    He has consolidated power, that is obvious and dangerous.
    Sort of. He has made moves that grant the central gov't more power and others which remove it from various semi-fuedal magnates and TNCs and place it in decentralised associations of workers and peasantry. I'm broad in my tolerance of libertarianism and decentralism, I don't only support those who conform to a narrow, set plan, I for instance think quite a lot of the anarchists in the Spanish civil war and in Russia, so I can certainly have sympathy for some of his moves or the moves of his movement.
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