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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

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    You knew his name, and you're asking?
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    The founding fathers of the USA were freemasons...
    Obama is a fail...

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Meh, it isn't like almost all Western nations have term limits. I know we don't in Britain and they don't in Australia. I don't consider either of these more despotic then the US.
    Well we don't have them for our Congressmen or Supreme Court Justices. Just our President.

    But I favor term limits in any case. I'd rather see an influx of new blood into Washington on a more regular basis, not just when one party screws up.
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    Some people say that beign young is bad because it means you don't have experience. However, if you remember well, the older generations are the ones who have this world as bad as it is now.
    Obama is a fail...

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    As long as Chavez hates the USA in his rhetoric the left in the USA will embrace him and excuse him.


    He's a Far Left Socialist Despot who controls virtually all aspects of Venezuelan life. He is now dictator for life. He will never leave office until dead. "Elections/Votes" there have been shams since he took power.

    Chavez has shown how easy it is to destroy a Democracy openly. While he did/does it he has the support of those on the left in the USA who decry anyone tampering with what he has thrown away.


    Even better he has a friend now in the WH..... State department has already congratulated him for this.


    People who buy into these votes being fair and free probably argued those in the USSR and former Warsaw Pact states where also free and fair. That Saddam was isolated. That Iran really isn't at fault for wanting to exterminate Jews. You name it..if it hates the USA the left in this nation wil do anything to defend it.


    To the west Columbia is threatened by Chavez's continued supplying and support off FARC.

    To the east Guyana is threatened do to the fact that he has claimed HALF their county up to the Essoquibo river.


    Luckily the combination of terrain the USA and EU so far have stopped this megalomaniac from starting a war. Failing that he is busily reviving and supporting various insurgency groups throughout the region. Most notably FARC in Columbia...but also Peru, Mexico, and others. As well as funding various leftist politicians..Ortega in Nicaragua...and the guy(forget his name) in Bolivia.

    I doubt many of his leftist supporters in the USA even know he was a Far Right Army man who tried to seize power in a bloody coup in 1992....but then they probably don't bother themselves with him past "he hates the USA and bashed bush hurray!"

    With Obama in the WH Chavez is sitting pretty and should probably start developing nukes. So Obama can offer him half of Guyana.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The founding fathers of the USA did not have term limits.
    No, they had character.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Looks like Cuba is not the only Spanish speaking Communist country anymore.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    As long as Chavez hates the USA in his rhetoric the left in the USA will embrace him and excuse him.


    He's a Far Left Socialist Despot who controls virtually all aspects of Venezuelan life. He is now dictator for life. He will never leave office until dead. "Elections/Votes" there have been shams since he took power.

    Chavez has shown how easy it is to destroy a Democracy openly. While he did/does it he has the support of those on the left in the USA who decry anyone tampering with what he has thrown away.


    Even better he has a friend now in the WH..... State department has already congratulated him for this.


    People who buy into these votes being fair and free probably argued those in the USSR and former Warsaw Pact states where also free and fair. That Saddam was isolated. That Iran really isn't at fault for wanting to exterminate Jews. You name it..if it hates the USA the left in this nation wil do anything to defend it.


    To the west Columbia is threatened by Chavez's continued supplying and support off FARC.

    To the east Guyana is threatened do to the fact that he has claimed HALF their county up to the Essoquibo river.


    Luckily the combination of terrain the USA and EU so far have stopped this megalomaniac from starting a war. Failing that he is busily reviving and supporting various insurgency groups throughout the region. Most notably FARC in Columbia...but also Peru, Mexico, and others. As well as funding various leftist politicians..Ortega in Nicaragua...and the guy(forget his name) in Bolivia.

    I doubt many of his leftist supporters in the USA even know he was a Far Right Army man who tried to seize power in a bloody coup in 1992....but then they probably don't bother themselves with him past "he hates the USA and bashed bush hurray!"

    With Obama in the WH Chavez is sitting pretty and should probably start developing nukes. So Obama can offer him half of Guyana.
    What exactly about elections under Chavez do you find inadequate?

    As a far left loon ive got to say that im more interested in his economic and social reforms then his bush bashing [which personally i find extreamly annoying]. If you look at child literacy, infant mortality, health care, poverty rates, enrolement in higher education etc. then its easy to see why he has such a high level of support in the country. Namely because for all his faults he,s offering an alternative to the washington consensus model thats been forced on the continent, [often through violence] despite the fact that its weilded no posstive results for the contients poorest. As i keep saying try comparing the stats i mentioned in Venuzuela with those in Peru or Brazil.

    I think the idea that the countries progress is wholely dependant on Chavez himself has a disturbing element of meglomania about it but regardless of what you think of Chavez's style of government it continues to exist because its what people in the country want not because of some fictional totalitarian state. Chavez has won over 50% 7 times. In this sence Venuzuela is far more democratic then the UK where no party has won a general election with over 50% of votes cast since the 1930s. Its also got to be said that most of europe doesnt have term limits.

    Thats not to say i particually like Chavez. I dislike the regimes he builds alliances with, the polarisation he encourages and his general meglomania but at the end of the day he,s in power because he is well liked in the country and with good reason. Im just getting fed up with the right wing press crying foul everytime people in foriegn countrys elect a leader they dislike.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    What exactly about elections under Chavez do you find inadequate?

    As a far left loon ive got to say that im more interested in his economic and social reforms then his bush bashing [which personally i find extreamly annoying]. If you look at child literacy, infant mortality, health care, poverty rates, enrolement in higher education etc. then its easy to see why he has such a high level of support in the country. Namely because for all his faults he,s offering an alternative to the washington consensus model thats been forced on the continent, [often through violence] despite the fact that its weilded no posstive results for the contients poorest. As i keep saying try comparing the stats i mentioned in Venuzuela with those in Peru or Brazil.

    I think the idea that the countries progress is wholely dependant on Chavez himself has a disturbing element of meglomania about it but regardless of what you think of Chavez's style of government it continues to exist because its what people in the country want not because of some fictional totalitarian state. Chavez has won over 50% 7 times. In this sence Venuzuela is far more democratic then the UK where no party has won a general election with over 50% of votes cast since the 1930s. Its also got to be said that most of europe doesnt have term limits.

    Thats not to say i particually like Chavez. I dislike the regimes he builds alliances with, the polarisation he encourages and his general meglomania but at the end of the day he,s in power because he is well liked in the country and with good reason. Im just getting fed up with the right wing press crying foul everytime people in foriegn countrys elect a leader they dislike.
    Wouldn't you agree though that he is bordering on super tyrannical?
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wouldn't you agree though that he is bordering on super tyrannical?
    No. On the contrary he,s brought around alot of benefits.On what evidence could he be considered tyranical?

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