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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Eh, who cares? The people get what they deserve. They want a dictator without term limits (yeah, no possibility of corruption there) then give 'em a dictator with no term limits. Just don't go giving them any of my money once they drive themselves into poverty.
    This is right on the money; 30% inflation and climbing and the future of Venezuela has only more of the same economic malaise to look forward to.

    The people of Venezuela have indeed spoken, assuming no irregularities in voting, and they get what they deserve.

    Chavez's rule will go the same way as many others who use the poor to spread Socialism; down the sewer. This will lead to another revolution of the people revolting against the lies of Chavez. Hopefully it will not be a military one but instead be a people's revolt.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The most entertaining aspect of the American Right's (and indeed the American "Left" as well), opposition to this referendum is that Chavez is a democratically elected leader, whereas the "elections" of George Bush are still regarded with raised eyebrows, particularly the former. Moreover, Chavez survived a recall attempt, whereas most analysts agree that Bush would not have been capable of doing so. But the "shining beacon of democracy" has no option to recall a president. It's particularly amusing that the abolition of term limits through a national referendum (which do not exist in the United States), is depicted as "anti-democratic," particularly when the issue in question would merely permit the Venezuelan citizenry to continue to elect a public official as many times as they desire.
    It is almost as entertaining as the American Left's adoration of Chavez with his socialist revolution agenda. What has it gotten the people of Venezuela? High unemployment and 30% inflation with NO hope for the future because his regime has run off about every legitimate company who would consider doing business in a country that can decide the next day to take over their assets and nationalize their efforts.

    Venezuela is heading for a sewer because of the failed ideas and policies of a mentally challenged Socialist who wants to become dictator and uses the ignorance of the poor to propel himself to that position.

    Unemployment rate:
    9.1% (2007 est.)
    Population below poverty line:
    37.9% (end 2005 est.)
    Inflation rate (consumer prices):
    20.7% (Year ending November 2007)

    Economy - overview:
    Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for roughly 90% of export earnings, more than 50% of the federal budget revenues, and around 30% of GDP. …..record government spending helped to boost GDP in 2006 by about 9% and in 2007 by about 8%. This spending, combined with recent minimum wage hikes and improved access to domestic credit, has created a consumption boom but has come at the cost of higher inflation-roughly 20 percent in 2007. Imports also have jumped significantly. Embolden by his December 2006 reelection, President Hugo CHAVEZ in 2007 nationalized firms in the petroleum, communications, and electricity sectors, which reduced foreign influence in the economy. CHAVEZ still has significant control of the economy and has indicated he intends to continue to consolidate and centralize authority over the economy by implementing "21st Century Socialism."

    Venezuela Economy 2008, CIA World Factbook

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Chavez is a despot and from what I understand (from only cursory interest in articles on BBC) fairly incompetent in running his country's oil economy (why is every oil exporting nation run by assholes?) but compared to say...Pinochet he's not so bad.

    And we all know how much the right loved Pinochet. Of course they also loved Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden...at one point.

    This is not a defense of Chavez, it is however some context for those who argue for intervention into Venezuela based on moral appeal alone.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    And we all know how much the right loved Pinochet. Of course they also loved Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden...at one point.
    The right loved Pinochet, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden? This is beyond absurd, it is stupid. Got any proof of this Right love affair with despots?


    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    This is not a defense of Chavez, it is however some context for those who argue for intervention into Venezuela based on moral appeal alone.
    Who is making an argument for intervention in Venezuela???

    Good lord, I always wonder why people constantly make up their own arguments no one is making.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You assume to much. I'm not a fan of the American election process nor am I happy with any of our leadership.

    Populist democracy is dangerous and the people are foolish.

    I personally don't like to throw human lives around liberally and I don't generally call for their destruction.

    Cases like this are different though. I'm sick and tired of dumb asses making the tyranny of the majority ok through "democracy".

    The mass tyrants need to be reigned in.
    And America should be doing the reigning in?

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Chavez is a despot and from what I understand (from only cursory interest in articles on BBC) fairly incompetent in running his country's oil economy (why is every oil exporting nation run by assholes?) but compared to say...Pinochet he's not so bad.

    And we all know how much the right loved Pinochet. Of course they also loved Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden...at one point.

    This is not a defense of Chavez, it is however some context for those who argue for intervention into Venezuela based on moral appeal alone.
    No intervention necessary.

    I just want a person who enjoys the risks and fruits of liberty to end his pathetic existence.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    And America should be doing the reigning in?
    Nope.

    All it takes is some well armed locals to do the deed.
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life. Maybe War With Colombia???

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It is almost as entertaining as the American Left's adoration of Chavez with his socialist revolution agenda. What has it gotten the people of Venezuela? High unemployment and 30% inflation with NO hope for the future because his regime has run off about every legitimate company who would consider doing business in a country that can decide the next day to take over their assets and nationalize their efforts.

    Venezuela is heading for a sewer because of the failed ideas and policies of a mentally challenged Socialist who wants to become dictator and uses the ignorance of the poor to propel himself to that position.

    Unemployment rate:
    9.1% (2007 est.)
    Population below poverty line:
    37.9% (end 2005 est.)
    Inflation rate (consumer prices):
    20.7% (Year ending November 2007)

    Economy - overview:
    Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for roughly 90% of export earnings, more than 50% of the federal budget revenues, and around 30% of GDP. …..record government spending helped to boost GDP in 2006 by about 9% and in 2007 by about 8%. This spending, combined with recent minimum wage hikes and improved access to domestic credit, has created a consumption boom but has come at the cost of higher inflation-roughly 20 percent in 2007. Imports also have jumped significantly. Embolden by his December 2006 reelection, President Hugo CHAVEZ in 2007 nationalized firms in the petroleum, communications, and electricity sectors, which reduced foreign influence in the economy. CHAVEZ still has significant control of the economy and has indicated he intends to continue to consolidate and centralize authority over the economy by implementing "21st Century Socialism."

    Venezuela Economy 2008, CIA World Factbook
    I don't think the "left" adores Chavez, that's just rightwing propaganda. I think people who believe in democracy think we should keep our noses out of how other democracies work.

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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    The matter is that (as the U.S.A have bipartidism between Liberal (democratics) and Conservative (republican) parties) you don't know what is a true left and you still call your liberals leftist while they aren't. Left is used in the rest of the world to refer communism and socialism. So the Democratic Party isn't really left, but center-right, while the republican party is far-right.

    There is a trend in Latin America, all presidents are left-wing. Except Alvaro Uribe and Felipe Calderón. The president of El Salvador was also rightist but leftists won the last elections.

    The only probably future right-wing president is in Chile, that country will have elections this or next year and the right-wing candidate is winning the elections.

    There are some moderate socialist presidents: Panamá (Martin Torrijos), Brazil (Lula da Silva), Guatemala (Alvaro Colon), Chile (Michele Bachelet), Peru (Alan García) and Uruguay. There is a more radical left, called Bolivarianism, because they claim to support Simon Bolivar's ideals (However, Simon Bolivar was conservative): Nicaragua, Bolivia, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba form this axis.

    Colombia is he biggest ally of the USA in south america, but your new government does not support our country because of the problem mentioned above. Communist colombian leaders go to the USA to speak with the Democratic Party, saying that they are the left. What the Democratic leaders don't know is that those colombians that they talk to are communists and not like them.

    The U.S.A is aiding Colombia in war against drug-dealing, but they have not seen that the real problem is poverty. Poverty is behind terrorism, poverty is behind drugs:

    Imagine you are a poor teenager in Colombia, maybe your mother is a drunk and your father ¿? dissappeared? Your mother is disemployed. You don't have study. A very rich guy (druglord) tells you that if you kill a policeman, he will give US$500.000. What would you do?

    So, if the people continue to be poor, they will accept populist leaders like Chavez and Colombia will end being the center of Chavez's empire. Yesterday in the news, the reporters showed that there are some stupid people creating the Colombian Socialist Bolivarian Party in the city of Cucuta, near the border with Venezuela.

    I made a comparison between Chavez and Hitler in the Latin American section of the forum, in a thread called Colombia is not Fascist.

    The US have not seen that while they are worrying in problems of the Middle East, their neighborhood is becoming the true enemy.

    Russia and Iran have strong links to Chavez and his bolivarian circle that is taking over Latin America. I think the USA is taking care 100% of something they don't need to take care 100% but maybe 70%. See how terrorists are friends:

    Al-Qaeda is an ally of Ahmadinejad and ETA.
    Ahmadinejad is an ally of Chavez.
    Chavez is an ally of Russia.
    Chavez and ETA are allies of FARC.

    FARC are enemies of Colombia.

    Colombia is an ally of the USA and the EU.
    The USA are an ally of Israel.
    The EU are enemies of Al-Qaeda and ETA.
    Israel is enemy of Palestine.
    Palestine is an ally of Ahmadinejad.

    The USA are an ally of Georgia.
    Georgia is enemy of Russia.
    Russia is an ally of Chavez and his bolivarian friends.
    Bolivia is one of those friends.
    Bolivia is enemy of Chile and Perú.
    Chile and Perú aren't bolivarian.
    Cuba is enemy of Chile.
    Cuba is an ally of Venezuela.
    Cuba is an ally of Russia.
    Cuba is an ally of ELN.
    ELN are allies of Sendero Luminoso of Perú.
    Sendero Luminoso are enemies of Peru.
    Peru is friend of Colombia and the EU.
    Sendero Luminoso and ELN are friends of FARC.
    FARC is friend of ETA who is a friend of Al-Qaeda who is friend of other radical muslim groups.Those radical muslim groups are enemies of India.
    India is becoming friends with China.
    China is becoming friends with Taiwan.
    Taiwan are friends of Japan.
    China just said Colombia was a touristic destiny for all Chinese.
    Taiwan and Japan are friends of Phillipines.
    Phillipines are enemies of their guerrillas.
    Those guerrillas are friends of FARC.


    Do you understand what can happen there?
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    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Jomiarias View Post
    The matter is that (as the U.S.A have bipartidism between Liberal (democratics) and Conservative (republican) parties) you don't know what is a true left and you still call your liberals leftist while they aren't. Left is used in the rest of the world to refer communism and socialism. So the Democratic Party isn't really left, but center-right, while the republican party is far-right.

    There is a trend in Latin America, all presidents are left-wing. Except Alvaro Uribe and Felipe Calderón. The president of El Salvador was also rightist but leftists won the last elections.

    The only probably future right-wing president is in Chile, that country will have elections this or next year and the right-wing candidate is winning the elections.

    There are some moderate socialist presidents: Panamá (Martin Torrijos), Brazil (Lula da Silva), Guatemala (Alvaro Colon), Chile (Michele Bachelet), Peru (Alan García) and Uruguay. There is a more radical left, called Bolivarianism, because they claim to support Simon Bolivar's ideals (However, Simon Bolivar was conservative): Nicaragua, Bolivia, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba form this axis.

    Colombia is he biggest ally of the USA in south america, but your new government does not support our country because of the problem mentioned above. Communist colombian leaders go to the USA to speak with the Democratic Party, saying that they are the left. What the Democratic leaders don't know is that those colombians that they talk to are communists and not like them.

    The U.S.A is aiding Colombia in war against drug-dealing, but they have not seen that the real problem is poverty. Poverty is behind terrorism, poverty is behind drugs:

    Imagine you are a poor teenager in Colombia, maybe your mother is a drunk and your father ¿? dissappeared? Your mother is disemployed. You don't have study. A very rich guy (druglord) tells you that if you kill a policeman, he will give US$500.000. What would you do?

    So, if the people continue to be poor, they will accept populist leaders like Chavez and Colombia will end being the center of Chavez's empire. Yesterday in the news, the reporters showed that there are some stupid people creating the Colombian Socialist Bolivarian Party in the city of Cucuta, near the border with Venezuela.

    I made a comparison between Chavez and Hitler in the Latin American section of the forum, in a thread called Colombia is not Fascist.

    The US have not seen that while they are worrying in problems of the Middle East, their neighborhood is becoming the true enemy.

    Russia and Iran have strong links to Chavez and his bolivarian circle that is taking over Latin America. I think the USA is taking care 100% of something they don't need to take care 100% but maybe 70%. See how terrorists are friends:

    Al-Qaeda is an ally of Ahmadinejad and ETA.
    Ahmadinejad is an ally of Chavez.
    Chavez is an ally of Russia.
    Chavez and ETA are allies of FARC.

    FARC are enemies of Colombia.

    Colombia is an ally of the USA and the EU.
    The USA are an ally of Israel.
    The EU are enemies of Al-Qaeda and ETA.
    Israel is enemy of Palestine.
    Palestine is an ally of Ahmadinejad.

    The USA are an ally of Georgia.
    Georgia is enemy of Russia.
    Russia is an ally of Chavez and his bolivarian friends.

    Do you understand what can happen there?
    I certainly understand.

    That is why even though I hate to have to say it, someone should end Chavez.

    Da Silva of Brazil is a really cool guy from what I've heard.
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