Page 17 of 20 FirstFirst ... 71516171819 ... LastLast
Results 161 to 170 of 197

Thread: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

  1. #161
    Old Soul

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    ND
    Last Seen
    10-18-13 @ 11:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,915

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Don't worry I wouldn't dream of wading the panties that I got from you.
    erm, what?

  2. #162
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'm not sure. Until recently I argued his control of the media was a great wrong but I was shown he does not actually control the media and I have no evidence that he does. One station that still reports on cable lost its license but I think that was simply due to many, many regulation floutings including the support of an unsuccessful coup.
    Well if he can decide who gets a license then he does have control.

    Let me ask you this. His target audience is the very poor of his country right.

    What are the chances that they have access to cable that this broadcaster has to now operate on?


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    As for the removal of term limits I'd say most Western countries don't have them, Britain and Australia certainly don't, so that is hardly anything out of the ordinary.
    Britain and Australia do not elect a President the same way.

    Different styles of governments have different effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Where he is in reality unsavoury is his centralisation and his seeming will to stay in power for decades. but hell you could have even said the same about Maggie Thatcher.
    It is all about the company you keep.

    He is good friends with some of the most unsavory scumbags of the world and while that may be a logical fallacy, I'm willing to fall on that sword because it is very telling.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #163
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What I find interesting is there is no outcry over Saudi Arabia (You know a so called known U.S. ally) with a king that cannot be voted out of office.

    Why isn't there comparisons and calls for removal of power from the Saudi King by many of these conspiracy theorists?
    If your conspiracy theorist comment is aimed at me, your barking up the wrong tree.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Afterall, Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. Why isn't there a conservative movement to overthrow S.A.?

    Interesting thing of note is most of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

    Imagine that.
    I have no problem with the citizens of Saudi Arabia kicking their king to the curb, just the same way I feel about Venezuela.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  4. #164
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well if he can decide who gets a license then he does have control.
    I don't think he decides it personally. I'm pretty sure a lot of countries have licenses. I think the UK does.

    Let me ask you this. His target audience is the very poor of his country right.

    What are the chances that they have access to cable that this broadcaster has to now operate on?
    I think the point is that this particular station broke many important regulations, over 200 including supporting a coup. I think Channel four in the UK would loose its license for that. I used to think he was cracking down on the media as well but I have no evidence of this.



    Britain and Australia do not elect a President the same way.

    Different styles of governments have different effects.
    A PM has much the same sort of power, if not more than, a US president.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  5. #165
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think he decides it personally. I'm pretty sure a lot of countries have licenses. I think the UK does.
    I personally don't believe you should have to get a license to broadcast.

    If you have the money and equipment to do so then by all means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think the point is that this particular station broke many important regulations, over 200 including supporting a coup. I think Channel four in the UK would loose its license for that. I used to think he was cracking down on the media as well but I have no evidence of this.
    I'll be a Libertarian partisan hack and I agree with the coup so it's no problem for me.

    Plus how can there possibly be over 200 regulations for broadcast that sounds as if they were set up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    A PM has much the same sort of power, if not more than, a US president.
    The PM though rests his or her power solely with the elected members of the chamber that elect them.

    They can vote no confidence at any time I thought.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #166
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I personally don't believe you should have to get a license to broadcast.
    That is a different matter.

    If you have the money and equipment to do so then by all means.
    Personally based the sheer power of the media in society I'm not sure I agree. Anthony Sampson in his Who rules this place?, an interesting work on modern Britain, placed a diagram in the front of the work. It was composed of different size circles representing each major power base within the Britain today. The biggest circle, bigger than the PM, Parliament, the Palace and even the rich was the media. I find this both very telling and worrying.

    I'm not sure how to deal with it though.


    I'll be a Libertarian partisan hack and I agree with the coup so it's no problem for me.
    Exactly how an anti-democratic, military coup is to help libertarianism I'm not sure.
    Plus how can there possibly be over 200 regulations for broadcast that sounds as if they were set up.
    Not really, companies often break many regulations.


    The PM though rests his or her power solely with the elected members of the chamber that elect them.

    They can vote no confidence at any time I thought.
    Certainly. That however just means the power is with the party, and the power-brokers within it, not the PM
    Last edited by Wessexman; 02-22-09 at 02:12 AM.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  7. #167
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is a different matter.
    Yep, I really don't want to go into that either

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Personally based the sheer power of the media in society I'm not sure I agree. Anthony Sampson in his Who rules this place?, an interesting work on modern Britain placed a diagram in the front of the work. It was composed of different size diagrams representing each major power base within the Britain today. The biggest circle, bigger than the PM, Parliament, the Palace and even the rich was the media. I find this both very telling and worrying.

    I'm not sure how to deal with it though.
    I'm not 100% sure either but I don't care for the whole "public airwaves" nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Exactly how an anti-democratic, military coup is to help libertarianism I'm not sure.
    Democracy has nothing to do with it IMO. Turkey's military intervenes into the government when ever it starts to get too Islamic.

    It's non interventionist and I can support a fracturing of power.

    Although I don't support a feudal type structure either, which has been common in South America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Not really, companies often break many regulations.
    Yea but 200 I'd like to see why it requires 200 regulations.

    What could possibly require that much regulation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Certainly. That however just means the power is with the party, and the power-brokers within it, not the PM
    The PM is checked by his or her own party.

    It adds another layer of brains instead of direct election.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  8. #168
    Dorset Patriot
    Wessexman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia(but my heart is back in Dorset.)
    Last Seen
    10-17-17 @ 04:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    8,468

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not 100% sure either but I don't care for the whole "public airwaves" nonsense.
    Well my purpose as a decentralist is to disperse power not to always maintain a lockean ideal of property rights but that is another story.



    Democracy has nothing to do with it IMO. Turkey's military intervenes into the government when ever it starts to get too Islamic.
    Which is an aweful development.

    It's non interventionist and I can support a fracturing of power.
    I cannot see how the military becoming invovled can almost ever help.




    Yea but 200 I'd like to see why it requires 200 regulations.

    What could possibly require that much regulation?
    No 200 breaches. Sorry I wasn't very clear.

    The PM is checked by his or her own party.

    It adds another layer of brains instead of direct election.
    Not really, the PM usually can rule the party quite well. What is made up for in the slightly less centralised nature of power is lost in the less easily accountable and visible nature of the process.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

  9. #169
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well my purpose as a decentralist is to disperse power not to always maintain a lockean ideal of property rights but that is another story.
    I'm pretty much a purist with property rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Which is an aweful development.

    I cannot see how the military becoming invovled can almost ever help.
    The way I take it is that In Turkey when the military does intervene is does cause some economic turmoil but that the power in government is stabilized and the military restores it back to the people.

    I'm not exactly sure how many times this has been done though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No 200 breaches. Sorry I wasn't very clear.
    Gotcha, I still just really don't like the guy. Something doesn't smell right over there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Not really, the PM usually can rule the party quite well. What is made up for in the slightly less centralised nature of power is lost in the less easily accountable and visible nature of the process.
    I didn't know that. I figured if the PM started to act like a ass and do stupid things he or she could more or less be removed by a vote.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  10. #170
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Last Seen
    12-26-10 @ 06:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,083

    Re: Chavez now can reelect himself for life

    I find the claim that Chavez is the next Hitler is done in distaste. Godwin's law just can't be proven wrong, for once. Not every socialist in the world is going to be the next Hitler. Frankly... Chavez is not exterminating his people, even though the CIA pitched in its support in the 90's to help the military do just that. Sorry that it failed, and that that's the reason why people are so bitter.

    I don't agree with Chavez removing term limits, or potentially ruling forever, but it's the job of his own people to do something about it, not the U.S. Deal with your own domestic problems before you point the finger at another nation.

Page 17 of 20 FirstFirst ... 71516171819 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •