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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But not only have I not criticized Kellogg for their actions, I praise them for it.
    Are you the same ludahai who complained about Guinness, a private company, not including a Bull Fighting record in it's list? Well. So much for 'Cultural Imperialism'.
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Will I forgive him? He seems contrite and if he truly admits that he was wrong, I have no reason not to.
    My problem with it is that with some 'yahoo" they would be put in jail or probation. Not with the Olympic god Phelps though.

    So the precedence that is set is that if you are rich and famous you get a "free pass" without any community service or jail time if you break the law.

    Is that the right message to send?

    Forget whether or not pot smoking and peripheral is wrong or right, it is illegal NOW.

    Should we grant immunity from the famous and rich just because they are rich and/or famous?
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Michael Phelps has apologized to China for smoking weed, and in return keeps his sponsorship from Mazda.

    I have one question to ask - Where in the hell is Phelps' apology to the United States, who he let down by breaking the law? Now, IMHO, smoking marijuana is not a big deal, but if he had to make an apology, why only to China?

    In the end, it's not about the apology. It's about the money.

    Article is here.
    Sounds like a requirement by an employer in order for him to keep his income. It's always about the money with these things.
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    My problem with it is that with some 'yahoo" they would be put in jail or probation. Not with the Olympic god Phelps though.

    So the precedence that is set is that if you are rich and famous you get a "free pass" without any community service or jail time if you break the law.

    Is that the right message to send?

    Forget whether or not pot smoking and peripheral is wrong or right, it is illegal NOW.

    Should we grant immunity from the famous and rich just because they are rich and/or famous?
    Of course not, but that is what we are doing. 8 people in that photo have now been arrested. Phelps has NOT been arrested. In addition, Phelps did not go to jail on a DUI charge in 2004. If it was you or me, the outcome would be quite different. Tell me - Where is the fairness in that?
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course not, but that is what we are doing. 8 people in that photo have now been arrested. Phelps has NOT been arrested. In addition, Phelps got off scott free on a DUI charge too in 2004. Tell me - Where is the fairness in that?
    I agree Phelps should have been arrested and kicked off the team.

    Sorry, but he did an illegal act that was CAUGHT on picture that he HIMSELF admitted to ONLY AFTER IT WAS MADE PUBLIC.

    But since he is a gold medalist, there are law apologists that feel he should remain on the team and continue his reign of being famous and above the law.

    If this was some joe blow who was denied a job due to this, no PHELPS supporter would have batted an eye to denying him his job and maybe would have included a comment of "how he shouldn't have engaged in this type of behavior".
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you the same ludahai who complained about Guinness, a private company, not including a Bull Fighting record in it's list? Well. So much for 'Cultural Imperialism'.
    And just how are the two situations comparable?

    Kellogg, Phelps, and myself are all products of the same culture - American. Where is the "cultural imperialism" here?
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    My problem with it is that with some 'yahoo" they would be put in jail or probation. Not with the Olympic god Phelps though.

    So the precedence that is set is that if you are rich and famous you get a "free pass" without any community service or jail time if you break the law.

    Is that the right message to send?

    Forget whether or not pot smoking and peripheral is wrong or right, it is illegal NOW.

    Should we grant immunity from the famous and rich just because they are rich and/or famous?
    One thing I do not know is do most pot smokers go to jail? I believe Phelps should be treated no differently as any other person. It won't happen though. I was a collegiate athlete and I know that athletes are treated differently than everyone else. It isn't right, but that is the reality.
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    One thing I do not know is do most pot smokers go to jail?
    If caught? They go to jail or do community service.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I believe Phelps should be treated no differently as any other person. It won't happen though. I was a collegiate athlete and I know that athletes are treated differently than everyone else. It isn't right, but that is the reality.
    And that is the problem I have, he should lose his endorsements, he should be kicked off the U.S. team.

    Why? Because he thumbed his nose at the law as a U.S. team member.

    Again, I don't agree with Marijuanna use being illegal, but it is. He, as a REPRESENTATIVE OF THE U.S. did this so he should be kicked off the team.

    Anything other than this shows that celebriteis have a different standard to the law than others.

    If he isn't kicked from the team we might as well establish a court of law that is for celebrities and a court that is for other folks.

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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And just how are the two situations comparable?
    Privately owned companies making decisions they feel they need to make. You complained about one. Bull fighting. And not the other. Michael Phelps having to apologize for smoking a bowl.

    Kellogg, Phelps, and myself are all products of the same culture - American. Where is the "cultural imperialism" here?
    Since when are you a Taiwanese, wheat farming Olympic swimmer? In any case. You seem to either A) not know what cultural imperialism means or B) be playing stupid. I'm pretty sure it's the later.

    Where Phelps is being made to apologize by his PRIVATE sponsors for his 'wrongdoing' to a foreign market. You seem to have no problem with this. Going as far as supporting the idea. I mean why not? Why shouldn't a private company like Mazda make it's flagship employee apologize for potentially making the company look bad? Mazda and Kelloggs don't want to be associated with a pot smoking 23 year old kid. Who does? Wait. Don't answer that.

    If you were consistent in this mentality, which you are not, supported by the fact that you ran away from the debate and never posted again. Then you would also have supported Guinness in their move to not want to be associated with Bull Fighting. Why would they want to be associated with an activity where an innocent animal is killed for the viewing pleasure of thousands? That is simply not part of our culture. Is it? Just like you don't consider it part of your culture for people to be engaging in the use of drugs.

    I guess the point I'm trying to make is you're a hypocrite. If Guinness, Mazda, Kellogg or for that matter ANY private company considers it that they don't want their P.R.s to be associated in any way with activities, subjects or actions which they don't consider to be positive or that they'll help the project be better in any way then they have every right to do so. And calling the actions of one cultural imperialism while not the other shows a clear lack of understanding of what cultural imperialism is. Or at worst a bias.

    Your move.
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    Re: Mazda Has Michael Phelps Apologize to China

    Jesus people. He committed a misdemeanor. It's like a speeding ticket. Oh, the horrror.
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