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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There are countries that won't allow Palestinians in either... let's not paint Israel as the only victim here. The heated political nature of the conflict in the West bank has polarized opinions all over the world. Even some governments have taken sides when it comes to their entry policies. We should not be surprised.
    Have you ever heard of Palestinians being denied entry to other countries for internationally sanctioned sporting events?
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't care what her ranking is, i don't even care if she continues to get refused.
    It is not on my list of things to whine about. You'd think someone died. It is just ONE tennis player. Her being Israeli means nothing to me, i wouldn't care if it was a British tennis player refused.
    Then why are you trolling in this thread? I used to be an internationally competitive athlete and I think this stinks. I live in a city where CHILDREN were denied a visa to compete in a baseball tournament last year because the dictator in training in Venezuela was listening more to his Chinese minders than to the commitments you make when you host an international tournament. If you don't care about it, find another thread to contribute to.
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The difference is that Cat Stevens was banned from entering the US because he was a (real or imagined) security threat, not because of his religion or nationality.
    Yes, but one can claim that any Israeli in an gulf nation is a threat to security too. Just as valid excuse.

    My point is that any nation can for any reason deny a visa to anyone. People are denied visa's because of criminal records, where they are from, where they have been, who they are and so on. Any excuse is valid, as it is up to the nation in question. Hell they dont have to give an excuse!

    The only reason that this got up in the media is because the person in question was from Israel and it was part of the never ending propaganda battle in the region, where both sides play the "victim" card. Call me a racist, anti-semitist or whatever, but it is a fact that this has gotten far far more media time than any other denial of a visa in recent history. Not even Cat Stevens got this much attention, and he was a far bigger star than this Israeli player. Even Snoop Dog being denied entry to Norway and other European countries barely got a beep on the radar.

    Should she or any Israel be able to play anywhere in the world? Sure but we do not live in a perfect world do we now.
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes, but one can claim that any Israeli in an gulf nation is a threat to security too. Just as valid excuse.
    A 20-something female tennis player is a threat?
    That is a stretch, even for you.

    My point is that any nation can for any reason deny a visa to anyone. People are denied visa's because of criminal records, where they are from, where they have been, who they are and so on. Any excuse is valid, as it is up to the nation in question. Hell they dont have to give an excuse!
    And international governing bodies then have the right to pull their tournaments from said countries, as the IBAF did last year when Venezuela denied visas to Taiwanese children who qualified for a world championship tournament. You lobby for international events, it is incumbant on you to follow international standards, or face losing the events.

    The only reason that this got up in the media is because the person in question was from Israel and it was part of the never ending propaganda battle in the region, where both sides play the "victim" card. Call me a racist, anti-semitist or whatever, but it is a fact that this has gotten far far more media time than any other denial of a visa in recent history. Not even Cat Stevens got this much attention, and he was a far bigger star than this Israeli player. Even Snoop Dog being denied entry to Norway and other European countries barely got a beep on the radar.
    It became an event because this is so rare. Other than the Taiwanese children who were denied visas by Chavez last year, I have heard of precious few situations where athletes (EVEN TAIWANESE ONES - dispite our country's diplomatic isolation) are denied visas for sporting events.

    Should she or any Israel be able to play anywhere in the world? Sure but we do not live in a perfect world do we now.
    And the international governing bodies have the right and responsibility to pull the tournaments to ensure ALL players are on the same competitive playing field.

    Personally, I think the WTA should EXCLUDE all ranking points from this event to determine world rankings, but I don't they they will do that.
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Have you ever heard of Palestinians being denied entry to other countries for internationally sanctioned sporting events?
    Yes. The Palestinian National Football team has had members denied access to the first International game because some members were not given permission to travel in the occupied areas by... yep the IDF. This includes travel outside of Israel.

    The World Today - Palestinian National Football Team prepares for the next World Cup despite difficulties

    Basicly Israel denied 18 members of the Palestinian team out of Gaza and Palestine had to forfeit a game.

    Palestine Football Team Red-Carded by Israeli Authorities and FIFA | The Morningside Post

    Individual players have also been denied access to participate.. that is on top of their homes being destroyed. Ziyad Al-Kord was denied to travel by the IDF and his home was destroyed when was allowed to travel to play football..

    Even just half a year ago, members of the Palestinian Football team were denied in leaving the occupied areas and Gaza, by Israel... anyone hear much about that?

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinian football returns home

    Now I find it very ironic, that this Israeli tennis player situation gets blasted all over the place, and yet we never have heard much about what Israel does to Palestinian sports people... double standard or not?

    Oh btw, the Brits refused the Palestinian U18 team access to the UK

    visas

    The UK also regularly denies visa to people who want to participate in professional football.

    And even one of the biggest sports stars in the world (granted retired) was denied a visa to the US for medical treatment..

    CNNSI.com - World Soccer - Maradona praises Cuba, says U.S. denied visa - Monday January 24, 2000 05:13 PM

    Kenyan footballer denied visa

    Leading Kenyan footballer denied visa to join professional team in the Czech Republic | Breaking News Kenya

    Tibetan Football squad denied visa to France

    Tibetan Football Squad Denied Visa - www.phayul.com

    US denies Cuban baseball team visa

    Cubans denied US visa to play baseball in Pueto Rico - Cuba Culture News - Havana Journal

    So as everyone sees, denying visas to sports people is actually quite common, including in the US. So using the "sports must be free of politics" excuse is just a bull**** excuse.

    So I ask again, why should this case be so blown up in the media?

    Because she is Israeli and it is another shot in the never ending propaganda war between the Israeli's and Palestinians, where both sides try to paint themselves as "victims" against the evil opposition.
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    A 20-something female tennis player is a threat?
    That is a stretch, even for you.
    And a 57 year old former rock star is more of a threat?
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes, but one can claim that any Israeli in an gulf nation is a threat to security too. Just as valid excuse.
    The US government claims that Cat Stevens is affiliated with terrorist groups, which is the reason for his blacklist. I don't know what evidence they have, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if those allegations were true given some of his past comments. Regardless, they don't need to prove anything to deport him.

    In the case of this Israeli tennis player, they didn't even claim that she had done anything wrong. They didn't claim that she was a terrorist or posed a threat to anyone. They denied her entry specifically because of her nationality.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    My point is that any nation can for any reason deny a visa to anyone. People are denied visa's because of criminal records, where they are from, where they have been, who they are and so on. Any excuse is valid, as it is up to the nation in question. Hell they dont have to give an excuse!
    The Kim Jong-il view of national sovereignty.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    The only reason that this got up in the media is because the person in question was from Israel and it was part of the never ending propaganda battle in the region, where both sides play the "victim" card. Call me a racist, anti-semitist or whatever, but it is a fact that this has gotten far far more media time than any other denial of a visa in recent history. Not even Cat Stevens got this much attention, and he was a far bigger star than this Israeli player. Even Snoop Dog being denied entry to Norway and other European countries barely got a beep on the radar.
    Cat Stevens and Snoop Dogg were not denied entry because of their nationality. Lots of Britons travel to the US, and lots of Americans travel to Norway.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    Should she or any Israel be able to play anywhere in the world? Sure but we do not live in a perfect world do we now.
    No we certainly do not. Not as long as people such as yourself keep justifying pointless restrictions on freedom such as this.

    But I'll hear you out. Please explain why you think she should've been denied entry, and what aspect of an imperfect world makes this decision necessary.
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes. The Palestinian National Football team has had members denied access to the first International game because some members were not given permission to travel in the occupied areas by... yep the IDF. This includes travel outside of Israel.

    The World Today - Palestinian National Football Team prepares for the next World Cup despite difficulties

    Basicly Israel denied 18 members of the Palestinian team out of Gaza and Palestine had to forfeit a game.
    They weren't denied ENTRY into the country, they were not allowed to leave their own. Not the same thing. Nice try.

    Palestine Football Team Red-Carded by Israeli Authorities and FIFA | The Morningside Post

    Individual players have also been denied access to participate.. that is on top of their homes being destroyed. Ziyad Al-Kord was denied to travel by the IDF and his home was destroyed when was allowed to travel to play football..

    Even just half a year ago, members of the Palestinian Football team were denied in leaving the occupied areas and Gaza, by Israel... anyone hear much about that?

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinian football returns home

    Now I find it very ironic, that this Israeli tennis player situation gets blasted all over the place, and yet we never have heard much about what Israel does to Palestinian sports people... double standard or not?
    Different situation. It was a war zone.

    Oh btw, the Brits refused the Palestinian U18 team access to the UK

    visas
    This was NOT an internationally sanctioned event, but a series of friendly games that were to be played in England. Again, not the same thing. Nice try.

    And, there was an apparently legitimate reason, from your own source.

    The official reason given for refusing the visitors visas is that the Palestinians are too poor to be trusted to return home.
    The UK also regularly denies visa to people who want to participate in professional football.
    They are denied WORK PERMITS. Again, this is not internationally sanctioned. This is in accordance with internal British laws for club football. Again, not the same.

    And even one of the biggest sports stars in the world (granted retired) was denied a visa to the US for medical treatment..
    Was he denied entry for a FIFA-sanctioned soccer event? I didn't think so. Again, non-comparable.

    CNNSI.com - World Soccer - Maradona praises Cuba, says U.S. denied visa - Monday January 24, 2000 05:13 PM

    Kenyan footballer denied visa

    Once again, not an internationally sanctioned sporting competition. Try again.

    Tibetan Football squad denied visa to France

    Tibetan Football Squad Denied Visa - www.phayul.com
    There is no official Tibetan national football squad. They were to be in France for friendly matches, not an internationally sanctioned sporting competition.

    That's funny because Cuba won gold in that tournament - something they couldn't have done if they couldn't have qualified.

    So as everyone sees, denying visas to sports people is actually quite common, including in the US. So using the "sports must be free of politics" excuse is just a bull**** excuse.
    But you fail the test of examples where visas were denied for internationally sanctioned sporting events - which is what the event in question is and what I asked for.

    You FAIL!
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And a 57 year old former rock star is more of a threat?
    Did Shahar Peer ever call for Salman Rushdie's head?
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    Re: UAE bars entry for Israeli tennis player

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Did Shahar Peer ever call for Salman Rushdie's head?
    Good call. I had forgotten about that.
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