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Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

Laila said:
I went to one last week.
We had a barbecue, how did you guess?
:doh
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I just don't understand why you would go to meetings of an organization which promoted things which you adamantly opposed. You said it yourself you don't have to belong to a sect to be a Muslim so why to go to one of the Mosques which is owned, operated, and promotes one of the sects?
 
Agent Ferris said:
I just don't understand why you would go to meetings of an organization which promoted things which you adamantly opposed.
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Since when does it promote what I dlike?
I go there to prayer or for questions to be answered. I don't have to follow anything that is said.
There is only one way to pray in Islam, it doesn't differ from sect to sect or country to country.

 
Agent Ferris said:
I oppose mainstream Islam and support Liberal Islamic reformers whose lives are under constant threat.
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Can't separate Islam from its followers according to Sgt, sorry.
One must hate both if they dislike one.
 
ric27 said:
To you Muslims, we are subhuman animals (Kafirs).....apostate infidels, actually since we have rejected Islam. We live in Dar al Harib (the world of war).

Dar al Harib is where the Quran instructs every Muslim to go and wage jihad against the kafirs who have rejected Islam through subversion, deceit, and open warfare. This is their duty to Allah.
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Straight from DanielPipes.com!

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Who knew that the biggest experts on Islam and Muslims would be non-Muslims who rely on poorly-constructed stereotypes? :roll:
 
Laila said:
Since when does it promote what I dlike?
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Since it was a part of one of the major sects of Islam. Does your Imam openly condemn the current Ijma regarding the Ulama's rulings on apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and premarital sex? I consider silence on the subjects as obsequiousness.
 
Laila said:
Can't separate Islam from its followers according to Sgt, sorry.
One must hate both if they dislike one.
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It is very hard to establish an accord with a person or a people who do not have the same commom goals in mind. The difference here is that on one side (my side) has no desire for world domination of a particular ideal or belief - the overall desire for the most part is a diverse but peaceful and secure coexistance.

The other side (yourside) has shown itself countless times, to have the total world domination of a particular belief and set of ideals through whatever means neccesary, through acceptance or violence. they have no desire or respect for diversity and wish only for peaceful existance in a "purified" world. It is the driving force and as previously stated, a religious mandate.

When an IED goes off in some big populated center, or a vbied on I-92 or someone suicide bombs a school...I wonder what will become as the result of that. And yes, I did say "when", not "if" things like that have a way of changing peoples perspective towards each other.
 
ric27 said:
It is very hard to establish an accord with a person or a people who do not have the same commom goals in mind. The difference here is that on one side (my side) has no desire for world domination of a particular ideal or belief - the overall desire for the most part is a diverse but peaceful and secure coexistance.

The other side (yourside) has shown itself countless times, to have the total world domination of a particular belief and set of ideals through whatever means neccesary, through acceptance or violence. they have no desire or respect for diversity and wish only for peaceful existance in a "purified" world. It is the driving force and as previously stated, a religious mandate.

When an IED goes off in some big populated center, or a vbied on I-92 or someone suicide bombs a school...I wonder what will become as the result of that. And yes, I did say "when", not "if" things like that have a way of changing peoples perspective towards each other.
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Yeah, that's such a fair comparison too. You are comparing the sane normal people on your side with the extremists on her side. :roll:
 
SgtRock said:
Source: The Buffalo News
Date: 2-14-2009 (Valentines Day)



Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife : City & Region : The Buffalo News

Well it appears Mr Hassan proved that muslim stereotypes are not so far fetched. Another Backward POS.
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Hmm what stereotype is that? Other than another lame attempt on these boards to demonize muslims...

how about this then?

Teen guilty of 'thrill kill' murder, beheading - CNN.com

During his testimony Orlewicz also admitted that after Sorenson died, he used a hacksaw to decapitate him. Orlewicz said he threw Sorenson's torso into a field and set it on fire. The defendant said he took a blowtorch to Sorenson's hands to cover up fingerprints.
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That dont sound like muslim names.. do they?

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bus murder suspect says 'kill me'

Or that.. Mr. Li is a Church member!!! and he beheaded someone!!!..

Virginia Tech Beheading

OHHH a Chinaman beheads someone!!..
 
PeteEU said:
Hmm what stereotype is that? Other than another lame attempt on these boards to demonize muslims...

how about this then?

Teen guilty of 'thrill kill' murder, beheading - CNN.com



That dont sound like muslim names.. do they?

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bus murder suspect says 'kill me'

Or that.. Mr. Li is a Church member!!! and he beheaded someone!!!..

Virginia Tech Beheading

OHHH a Chinaman beheads someone!!..
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Don't bother Pete, there are people in this thread with a single mission. To hate on Islam and to inspire that hate in others, they have no use for these "facts" ;)
 
Jetboogieman said:
Don't bother Pete, there are people in this thread with a single mission. To hate on Islam and to inspire that hate in others, they have no use for these "facts" ;)
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Was bored waiting, for me dinner...... but else you are right.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Yeah, that's such a fair comparison too. You are comparing the sane normal people on your side with the extremists on her side. :roll:
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I'm less interested in what should be theoretically done, and more interested on what's going to happen and prepare for it and mitigate the consequences. The sort of events that would lead up to a modern confrontation are already in play, and don't require people to change their viewpoints and way of dealing with things.

Not saying that's what I want to happen, but I don't see any evidence that a peaceful transition will happen anytime soon. To the contrary if history is any guide violence is almost always the path that's taken. To me the only question is what city/cities will be the next and when will it happen.

There are no ifs here....only whens
 
Jetboogieman said:
Don't bother Pete, there are people in this thread with a single mission. To hate on Islam and to inspire that hate in others, they have no use for these "facts" ;)
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But there is precendence in Islam for beheadings Jet.


So when you meeting those who disbelieve smite at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them then bind a bond firmly. Thereafter either for generosity or ranson until the war lays down its burden... Sura Muhammad 47:4


Remember they Lord inspired the angels "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their funger-tips off them. Anfal Sura 8:12

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Islam/islam_beheading.pdf

And not just from the Qur'an. Islamic terrrorists have beheaded many people on camera who were not Muslim.

Its not that beheadings don't occur in people who are not Muslim but there is no greater precedent than Islam has for this particular form of murder.
 
texmaster said:
But there is precendence in Islam for beheadings Jet.


So when you meeting those who disbelieve smite at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them then bind a bond firmly. Thereafter either for generosity or ranson until the war lays down its burden... Sura Muhammad 47:4


Remember they Lord inspired the angels "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their funger-tips off them. Anfal Sura 8:12

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Islam/islam_beheading.pdf

And not just from the Qur'an. Islamic terrrorists have beheaded many people on camera who were not Muslim.

Its not that beheadings don't occur in people who are not Muslim but there is no greater precedent than Islam has for this particular form of murder.
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Of course I'm aware theirs a presedence.

But it's redundant to add that precedence to a billion people.

South Africa has a high level of rape. Does that make me a rapist?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Don't bother Pete, there are people in this thread with a single mission. To hate on Islam and to inspire that hate in others, they have no use for these "facts" ;)
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Ya let's look at the facts, every single solitary sect of mainstream Islam holds apostasy, sodomy, and adultery as capital offenses and premarital sex as a corporal offense. Yes I hate an ideology which posits such insane backwards views. What I don't hate are Muslims who are openly opposed to the Islamic Ulama which has created this Fiqh through Ijma but it is the Ulama that speaks for mainstream Islam and those who openly advocate against that Ijma are in the fringe minority and denying these facts only makes their very difficult mission of reform even more difficult, you can't fix a problem until you actually recognize and admit that there is a problem and there is a huge problem with the mainstream Islamic hierarchy and dogma which is glaringly obvious to anyone not wearing cultural relativist blinders. Tolerance of intolerance is not a virtue.
 
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ric27 said:
I'm less interested in what should be theoretically done, and more interested on what's going to happen and prepare for it and mitigate the consequences. The sort of events that would lead up to a modern confrontation are already in play, and don't require people to change their viewpoints and way of dealing with things.

Not saying that's what I want to happen, but I don't see any evidence that a peaceful transition will happen anytime soon. To the contrary if history is any guide violence is almost always the path that's taken. To me the only question is what city/cities will be the next and when will it happen.

There are no ifs here....only whens
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Well, there won't be a peaceful anything until people stop making snap judgments about Muslims based on stereotypes and stop blaming all Muslims for the actions of the extremists.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Well, there won't be a peaceful anything until people stop making snap judgments about Muslims based on stereotypes and stop blaming all Muslims for the actions of the extremists.
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It doesn't surprise me that trying to attach an entailed sequence of logical progression to the process of Jihad or the application of Sharia in a western nation is a waste of time with you people In fact the West twist themselves into over baked pretzels trying to make logic out of the illogical emotional sequence that creates Islamic terrorists. The Western media does this only because they can't comprehend an enemy who wants to kill them for no empirical or rational reason.

Oh, and you gotta love this nugget on Islamic terrorism. Most of these poor soul terrorist don't come from poor backgrounds, they come from educated, middleclass to wealthy social strata. Its natural to conclude that such a terrorist is not motivated by an injustice to themselves. They use the springboard that western education and capitolism provide to transform themselves into not so smart-bombs killing the multiple hands that have fed them.
 
Laila said:
You don't actually expect people to believe that do you?
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Believe this

Women in Islam are considered as deficient in mind and religion. The testimony of a woman in the courts is worth only half a man's testimony. The same thing pertains in matters of inheritance, for a ˜man's portion is worth as much as two women's portions.' When it comes to the rights of a divorced woman, her husband is responsible for her needs for three months only. In fact, a woman's status is on par with animals.
 
ric27 said:
Oh, and you gotta love this nugget on Islamic terrorism. Most of these poor soul terrorist don't come from poor backgrounds, they come from educated, middleclass to wealthy social strata. Its natural to conclude that such a terrorist is not motivated by an injustice to themselves. They use the springboard that western education and capitolism provide to transform themselves into not so smart-bombs killing the multiple hands that have fed them.
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Do you have source for your assertion, or is it part of your mindless bullcrap rhetoric?
 
ric27 said:
Women in Islam are considered as deficient in mind and religion.
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Is that Islam or your opinion of Muslim women shining through?
 
Degreez said:
Do you have source for your assertion, or is it part of your mindless bullcrap rhetoric?
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The typology of most terrorists is middle/upper class and relatively well educated:

One of the best known, most comprehensive, and most often cited of these efforts is a profile developed by Russell and Miller (1977110) based on a compilation of published data regarding over 350 individual terrorist cadres and leaders across 18 different Palestinian, Japanese, German, Italian, Turkish, Irish, Spanish, Iranian, Argentina, Brazilian, and Uruguayan terrorist groups active during the 1966-1976 time span. The prototype derived from their composite described a young (22-25), unmarried male who is an urban resident, from a middle-upper class family, has some university education and probably held an extremist political philosophy.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.pdf
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Laila said:
You don't actually expect people to believe that do you?
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Where the **** have I ever ****ing implied that I ****ing hate Muslims? If you don't hate an ideology that promotes capital punishment for apostasy, homosexuality, and adultery and corporal punishment for premarital, and 4 male witnesses for rape and if you can't provide 4 male witnesses then the women are tried for adultery or premarital sex and beaten and killed then there is something seriously seriously wrong with you. That IS ISLAM as we know it today, that is mainstream Islam, if you belong to a major Islamic sect those are the principles which are considered dogma, there is not a single major branch of Islam that does not promote those principles, the Ulama of all five schools of Islamic figh have formed an Ijma on those principles.
 
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