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Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

Agent Ferris said:
Regardless Rushdie was charged with apostasy and heresy and the sentence was death.
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He basically said he lied about converting because he hoped it would stop the fatwas.
He lied about converting back to Islam.
Not a Muslim

Charged by who?
You?
Damn you are a harsh judge.
 
Laila said:
I could give a **** about apostates.
It is not me who will be judged for other peoples sin, only God has that authority.
I'm too preoccupied with keeping myself from hell and my own sins to be worrying about other people
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That is not the mainstream Islamic view, under all five schools of Islam it has been decided that people are to be punished for apostasy on earth and in the afterlife.
 
Agent Ferris said:
That is not the mainstream Islamic view, under all five schools of Islam it has been decided that people are to be punished for apostasy on earth and in the afterlife.
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That doesn't represent God or me as a Muslim.
 
Laila said:
He basically said he lied about converting because he hoped it would stop the fatwas.
He lied about converting back to Islam.
Not a Muslim

Charged by who?
You?
Damn you are a harsh judge.
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He never converted to Islam, he was born and raised a Muslim, he never renounced his faith, what he did do was claim that he had become a devout Muslim and renounced writing the Satanic Verses to try to get the target off his back. He later felt ashamed of that and admitted it was only a pretense to get the target off his back but he never once renounced being a Muslim. Go on find me the quote in which Rushdie claims not to be a Muslim.
 
Agent Ferris said:
He never converted to Islam, he was born and raised a Muslim, he never renounced his faith, what he did do was claim that he had become a devout Muslim and renounced writing the Satanic Verses to try to get the target off his back. He later felt ashamed of that and admitted it was only a pretense to get the target off his back but he never once renounced being a Muslim. Go on find me the quote in which Rushdie claims not to be a Muslim.
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In a PBS interview with David Frost, Rushdie was asked whether he believed in god and replied "I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in."

"God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. ..and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down."

He ate pork. Isn't that lovely of him?
He lost his faith
He found his atheism.
He is not a Muslim.
 
Agent Ferris said:
It certainly represents Islam if not Muslims.
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You can't have one without the other.
As Sgt himself said, separating it is very difficult hence why he admitted he hated both Muslims and Islam.
 
Salman Rushdie

To put it as simply as possible: I am not a Muslim.[...] I do not accept the charge of apostacy, because I have never in my adult life affirmed any belief, and what one has not affirmed one can not be said to have apostasized from. The Islam I know states clearly that 'there can be no coercion in matters of religion'. The many Muslims I respect would be horrified by the idea that they belong to their faith purely by virtue of birth, and that a person who freely chose not to be a Muslim could therefore be put to death. [Salman Rushdie, In Good Faith, 1990]

God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. [...]and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down. [...] From that day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly secular person. [Salman Rushdie, In God We Trust, 1985]

I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in. [Salman Rushdie, on David Frost show]

I don't think there is a need for an entity like God in my life. [Salman Rushdie, interview with David Frost)]

If I were asked for a one-sentence soundbite on religion, I would say I was against it. [Salman Rushdie, to Reuters News Service, 4/17/96]

Score. :lamo
:peace
 
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Laila said:
Charged by who?
You?
Damn you are a harsh judge.
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No it was actually Ayatollah Khomeini and backed by the Union of Islamic Students of Europe and the Muslim Parliament in Britain the leader of which who still supports the fatwa laughably is a funding trustee of British Muslims for Secular Democracy. From what I've read the only mainstream Islamic opposition to the Fatwa was not that Rushdie hadn't committed a capital offense but that he needed to be tried in court before a death sentence could be rendered.
 
Agent Ferris said:
No it was actually Ayatollah Khomeini and backed by the Union of Islamic Students of Europe and the Muslim Parliament in Britain the leader of which who still supports the fatwa laughably is a funding trustee of British Muslims for Secular Democracy. From what I've read the only mainstream Islamic opposition to the Fatwa was not that Rushdie hadn't committed a capital offense but that he needed to be tried in court before a death sentence could be rendered.
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Well at least he gets a trial then eh? :roll:
 
Laila said:
Salman Rushdie

To put it as simply as possible: I am not a Muslim.[...] I do not accept the charge of apostacy, because I have never in my adult life affirmed any belief, and what one has not affirmed one can not be said to have apostasized from. The Islam I know states clearly that 'there can be no coercion in matters of religion'. The many Muslims I respect would be horrified by the idea that they belong to their faith purely by virtue of birth, and that a person who freely chose not to be a Muslim could therefore be put to death. [Salman Rushdie, In Good Faith, 1990]

God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. [...]and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down. [...] From that day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly secular person. [Salman Rushdie, In God We Trust, 1985]

I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in. [Salman Rushdie, on David Frost show]

I don't think there is a need for an entity like God in my life. [Salman Rushdie, interview with David Frost)]

If I were asked for a one-sentence soundbite on religion, I would say I was against it. [Salman Rushdie, to Reuters News Service, 4/17/96]

Score. :lamo
:peace
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Are you going to deny that Islam is a religion that is based on the idea that it is divinely revealed and every single word of the Koran is Allah's own word's - in Arabic, which is what Allah speaks (this has lead to the Arab dominance of the Islamic world). It can't be questioned. It can't be reformed. Every Muslim's religious duty is to wage jihad to convert, kill or conquer the kaffirs by what ever means necessary (and that's in the Koran, which can't be questioned). And since Muslims are directed (again, by the Koran) to misdirect kaffirs, jihad is presented as really meaning internal struggle???
 
ric27 said:
Are you going to deny that Islam is a religion that is based on the idea that it is divinely revealed and every single word of the Koran is Allah's own word's - in Arabic, which is what Allah speaks (this has lead to the Arab dominance of the Islamic world). It can't be questioned. It can't be reformed. Every Muslim's religious duty is to wage jihad to convert, kill or conquer the kaffirs by what ever means necessary (and that's in the Koran, which can't be questioned). And since Muslims are directed (again, by the Koran) to misdirect kaffirs, jihad is presented as really meaning internal struggle???
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Well since I'm a terrorist. Why are you asking me?
Surely you shouldn't be asking a terrorist whether they are going to support Jihad.

Oh and checkmate on Rushdie. :thumbs:
 
Laila said:
Well since I'm a terrorist. Why are you asking me?
Surely you shouldn't be asking a terrorist whether they are going to support Jihad.

Oh and checkmate on Rushdie. :thumbs:
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Checkmate my ass. Muslim, even the least devout 'lip-service' Muslim, can never convert to another religion. If they do, they are apostate and must (as per the unquestionable Koran) die. Square that one with religious freedom.
 
ric27 said:
Checkmate my ass. Muslim, even the least devout 'lip-service' Muslim, can never convert to another religion. If they do, they are apostate and must (as per the unquestionable Koran) die. Square that one with religious freedom.
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Hey.
He says he is not a Muslim and he says he is not a apostate.
Who are you to say he is wrong?

You aren't even Muslim to judge that.
 
Laila said:
Hey.
He says he is not a Muslim and he says he is not a apostate.
Who are you to say he is wrong?

You aren't even Muslim to judge that.
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Whats the meaning of Kafir or kaffir?
 
Disbeliever

Changing the topic again *tuts*
 
In Allah's own words to the Prophet as revealed in the Quran, the Hadith, and shaira law - Islam means submission, right?
 
Laila said:
Well at least he gets a trial then eh? :roll:
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So you consider mainstream Islam supporting the death penalty for apostasy to be acceptable? If you don't support such things then why would you continue to go to a mainstream Muslim Mosque with a mainstream Islamic Imam who considers himself a Suni? It seems to me like a person who doesn't hate Jews going to weekly Nazi rally's.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Well if that's the case then all mainstream Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy, adultery, and sodomy, because all of mainstream Islam supports those things.
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.... and all those who oppose Islam hate Muslims and wishes us ill.
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ric27 said:
In Allah's own words to the Prophet as revealed in the Quran, the Hadith, and shaira law - Islam means submission, right?
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Submission to God.
I am submissive to Allah. What is the issue here now?
Am I now a oppressed person who cannot think for herself 'cause I know that is coming.
 
Agent Ferris said:
It seems to me like a person who doesn't hate Jews going to weekly Nazi rally's.
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I went to one last week.
We had a barbecue, how did you guess?
:doh
 
Laila said:
.... and all those who oppose Islam hate Muslims and wishes us ill.
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To you Muslims, we are subhuman animals (Kafirs).....apostate infidels, actually since we have rejected Islam. We live in Dar al Harib (the world of war).

Dar al Harib is where the Quran instructs every Muslim to go and wage jihad against the kafirs who have rejected Islam through subversion, deceit, and open warfare. This is their duty to Allah.
 
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