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I honestly can't believe people are having this conversation... No one has answered my question either. Have you ever met a Muslim that believed you should die/threatened to kill you? Have you even personally met one that tried to convert you to the Islamic faith? What certain Islamic nations do does not stereotype all Muslims. From my experience they have been some of the most delightful and respectful people I have had in my life. None of them have minded me being a Christian. They even attend my Christian affiliated university and go to required Christian chapel services. They don't burn Bibles or threaten to kill us. Some of them chose to wear a hijab but they don't impose their views on all women either (my lab partner wore a hijab). The views and actions of a few extremist Muslims does not reflect on the whole. Are all Catholics child molesters because priests have molested kids? Are all protestants secretly gay because a few leaders have turned out to be homosexuals? Does this mean Christians as a whole are all homosexual pedophiles? It's foolish to stereotype and discriminate against an entire religious group based on the actions of a few.
 
Laila said:
A Muslim pope? :lamo:lamo
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I said "pretend that because there is no Muslim pope".

This wins even amongst the stupid posts I have read all night

Oh and there is no Islamic leadership.
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Bull-****ing-**** lady, there is the Ulama who form Ijma concerning Islamic Fiqh. Don't bull**** a bull****ter.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Bull-****ing-**** lady, there is the Ulama who form Ijma concerning Islamic Fiqh. Don't bull**** a bull****ter.
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There is no hierarchy or authority that speak on behalf of Muslims.

Until Jesus returns, your stuck on looking for it.
 
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To go against the Ijma is to run the risk of being labeled a heretic or Takfir and being tried for apostasy.
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Rightttt :roll:
Heretic ...

There is no speaker for Muslims.
Accept that fact and move on.
 
digsbe said:
I honestly can't believe people are having this conversation... No one has answered my question either. Have you ever met a Muslim that believed you should die/threatened to kill you? Have you even personally met one that tried to convert you to the Islamic faith? What certain Islamic nations do does not stereotype all Muslims. From my experience they have been some of the most delightful and respectful people I have had in my life. None of them have minded me being a Christian. They even attend my Christian affiliated university and go to required Christian chapel services. They don't burn Bibles or threaten to kill us. Some of them chose to wear a hijab but they don't impose their views on all women either (my lab partner wore a hijab). The views and actions of a few extremist Muslims does not reflect on the whole. Are all Catholics child molesters because priests have molested kids? Are all protestants secretly gay because a few leaders have turned out to be homosexuals? Does this mean Christians as a whole are all homosexual pedophiles? It's foolish to stereotype and discriminate against an entire religious group based on the actions of a few.
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Bull**** analogy, the Catholic Church has determined that supporting abortion is a sin punishable by excommunication so in order to be a good practicing Catholic you have to be pro-life. Likewise, all five schools of Islamic jurisprduence have come to a consensus opinion that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses, they have established this as Ijma and to go against Ijma is heresy and you could run the risk of being tried for apostasy so in order to be a good Shia or Suni Muslim you would have to believe such things. You can be a liberal Muslim but you can not be a liberal Muslim and still belong to any of the main Islamic sects. Sufi's are cool in my book. Suni and Shia not so much. You see it's not about them being Muslim it's about the tenets of mainstream Islam which are inherently oppressive and antithetical to liberal values and modernism.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
You can be a liberal Muslim but you can not be a liberal Muslim and still belong to any of the main Islamic sects. Sufi's are cool in my book. Suni and Shia not so much.
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What you think is "cool" means jack **** to Muslims.

Your opinion means little when it comes to Islam as you do not even follow the religion
 
Laila said:
Rightttt :roll:
Heretic ...

There is no speaker for Muslims.
Accept that fact and move on.
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Be careful, you're gonna be tried for apostasy by...

who, again, Agent Ferris?

:roll:
 
Degreez said:
Be careful, you're gonna be tried for apostasy by...

who, again, Agent Ferris?

:roll:
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Who knew the speaker for Muslims would be an American ...

... ....

... and Non Muslim?
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Laila said:
Rightttt :roll:
Heretic ...

There is no speaker for Muslims.
Accept that fact and move on.
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Nope the Ulama is a figment of my imagination. Ijma is a word I just made up right now on this website (patent pending). And there is no such thing as the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, and Ja'fari schools of Islamic fiqh. Oh and fiqh is another word that I just made up too (all rights reserved).
 
Degreez said:
Be careful, you're gonna be tried for apostasy by...

who, again, Agent Ferris?

:roll:
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You do actually have to be careful if you are a public Muslim figure; such as, Salman Rushdie, these things can and do happen and don't sit here and ****ing tell me that they don't.
 
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I never denied it existed.

But there is no speaker for Muslims.

As I said, to find our representative you will have to wait till Jesus returns ... if you are still alive by then ofc
 
Agent Ferris said:
Nope the Ulama is a figment of my imagination. Ijma is a word I just made up right now on this website (patent pending). And there is no such thing as the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, and Ja'fari schools of Islamic fiqh. Oh and fiqh is another word that I just made up too (all rights reserved).
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Who is the speaker for Christians, all christians.

What singular source of law sets the rules for all christians or at least those who are good practising christians
 
Laila said:
There is no hierarchy or authority that speak on behalf of Muslims.
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You're right of course I just made up the terms Ulama and Ijma, as well as, the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, and Ja'fari schools of Islamic fiqh. All just figments of my imagination. No hierarchy at all. No established consensus Islamic dogma to speak of. :roll:
 
Laila said:
But there is no speaker for Muslims.

As I said, to find our representative you will have to wait till Jesus returns ... if you are still alive by then ofc
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Next question.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Who is the speaker for Christians, all christians.

What singular source of law sets the rules for all christians or at least those who are good practising christians
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Like in Islam there are many schools of Christian thought each with their own hierarchal leadership structures and differing dogma, however, there is some things all of the major Christian sects agree on; such as, the divinity of Jesus and that Jesus "suffered on the cross, died and was buried, rose again on the third day in fullfillment of the scriptures and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end," likewise there is a consensus opinion among all five major sects of Islamic dogma that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses.
 
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Laila said:
I never denied it existed.

But there is no speaker for Muslims.

As I said, to find our representative you will have to wait till Jesus returns ... if you are still alive by then ofc
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Quite a few Muslims support the reestablishment of a singular Caliph actually.

Furthermore; what would you call the Ulama if not a religous hierarchy which establishes consensus Islamic dogma?
 
Agent Ferris said:
Like in Islam there are many schools of Christian thought each with their own hierarchal leadership structures and differing dogma, however, there is some things all of the major Christian sects agree on; such as, the divinity of Jesus and that Jesus "suffered on the cross, died and was buried, rose again on the third day in fullfillment of the scriptures and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end," likewise there is a consensus opinion among all five major sects of Islamic dogma that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses.
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Pfft. Bull****.

In Islam there is no "church-like" hierarchy. When we pray it is directly to God and we only serve God and no one speaks on behalf of Allah or Islam.
Everyone is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs and will be judged on that by God alone.

Hence why Allah is the sovereign and our shahada is how it is.
It doesn't have at the end "Oh and Priests and Pope can also make up rules on our behalf and speak for us"
 
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Laila said:
What you think is "cool" means jack **** to Muslims.

Your opinion means little when it comes to Islam as you do not even follow the religion
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Unfortunately when the consensus opinion within all of Islamic sects is that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses it becomes a problem for the rest of us. I understand that Islam is very resitant to outside modern influences and punishes those who strive for internal reform, but that is kind of the whole point here.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Quite a few Muslims support the reestablishment of a singular Caliph actually.

Furthermore; what would you call the Ulama if not a religous hierarchy which establishes consensus Islamic dogma?
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So? That means little. It will never happen.
A group of Muslim scholars giving their interpretation of the Qu'ran and texts.
 
Laila said:
Pfft. Bull****.

In Islam there is no "church-like" hierarchy.
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Nope no Ulama, no Ijma, no schools of Islamic Fiqh, no hierarchy whatsoever. :roll:

When we pray it is directly to God and we only serve God and no one speaks on behalf of Allah or Islam.
Everyone is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs and will be judged on that by God alone.
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They will be judged by the Ulama before they are judged by their god. Maybe that's not the way you want it to be but that's the way it is.

Hence why Allah is the sovereign and our shahada is how it is.
It doesn't have at the end "Oh and Priests and Pope can also make up rules on our behalf and speak for us"
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No Ulama, no Ijma, and no Fiqh. All just figments of my imagination. Just made up terms (patents pending). :roll:
 
Laila said:
A group of Muslim scholars giving their interpretation of the Qu'ran and texts.
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lol no it's a group of Muslim scholars which determine Islamic Fiqh IE Law, and they form consensus opinions with one another to form Ijma. It is a decentralized leadership structure but it comes to consensus centralized legal opinions which establish a set Islamic law.
 
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