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Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

Back in 2004 when Mr Hassan launced his station it was all over the media including major newspapers, various liberal networks such as NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN. The ultral progressive NPR did a there piece on Mr Hassan. Could someone please explain why the mainstream media is not picking up this story? Is it because it dosn't fit there agenda?

I think you know the answer to that question.

S-s-s-s-h.

The irony of this story is unmistakable and everyone knows it.

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Update

While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime, advocates for women linked the killing to attitudes in Muslim societies.

“This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing, a murder rooted in cultural notions about women’s subordination to men,” said Marcia Pappas, New York State president of the National Organization for Women.

She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story, which broke the same day as the commuter plane crash that killed 50 people in Clarence.

While domestic violence affects all cultures, Muslim women find it harder to break the silence about it because of a stigma, she said.

“Too many Muslim men are using their religious beliefs to justify violence against women,” she said.

After episodes of domestic violence, Aasiya Hassan, 37, filed for divorce Feb. 6 and obtained an order of protection barring her husband from their Orchard Park home, her lawyer, Corey Hogan, said.

She and her husband both worked at Bridges TV, a satellite- distributed news and opinion channel. They launched the station in 2004 in an effort to counter images of Muslim violence and extremism.

Nadia Shahram, a matrimonial lawyer in Williamsville, said that some Muslim men consider divorce a dishonor on their family.

Possibility of 'honor killing' mulled in Orchard Park slaying : Home: The Buffalo News

Remember, Mr. Hassan was considered to be a moderate muslim who just happens to beat his wife.
 
Not interested in a deeper discussion of the issues at hand, eh SgtRock? Sticking to the reliable stand-bys of villifying Islam?

Oh well.
 
Not interested in a deeper discussion of the issues at hand, eh SgtRock? Sticking to the reliable stand-bys of villifying Islam?

Oh well.

I do not have to villify Islam muslims are doing a damn good job of it. And besides my main concern is human rights. In particular the rights of muslim women who are suffering and dying. And before you ask, yes I am concerned with violence against all women not just muslim women. Laila is a muslim women who used to work at a center for battered muslim women and she approves of my stance on this issue. Do you really want to discuss this issue or are you intrested in discrediting me by attempting to prove that I am an islamophobe?
 
A Chinese dude has done it too, you didn't create a thread about him
7s7: Monde - Il décapite et mange sa victime dans un autocar (370411)
(beheaded someone in a bus and ate him)

A Greek dude has done it too, you didn't create a thread about him
7s7: Monde - Il décapite sa femme et se promène avec sa tête (368076)
(beheaded his wife and walked around with her head)

A German dude has done it too, you didn't create a thread about him
7s7: Insolite - Il décapite une amie, incendie son appartement et meurt en cavale (178386)
(beheaded his friend and burnt the house)

A Bulgarian dude has done it too, you didn't create a thread about him
http://www.lameuse.be/actualite/fil...incendie-sa-maison-decapite-fils-681801.shtml
(beheaded his two sons in the middle of the street and burnt the house)

An Israeli dude has done it too, you didn't create a thread about him
Israel Infos Un homme décapité à Petah Tikva

You don't talk about the Chinese/German/Greek/Bulgarian/Jewish backwarded and violent cultures that have to stop comminting such crimes. That's funny.

Fortunately, I see that the other members of this forum don't make the same amalgam.

The most simple thing is that people commit horrific crimes all the time. Psychos, serial killers, criminals, etc.

The simplest thing is that Muslims do not mind such crimes.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-charged-beheading-wife-2.html#post1057925813


and such crimes are not persecuted or denounced in many Muslim countries and/or by the essential part or may be the overwhelming majority of Muslim clergy blossoming in Muslim and other countries, - including the US and the Western Europe, when such crimes are persecuted and denounced by any other civilized human being, - Christian, or Jewish or whatever.

One has to be completely immoral in order not to see the H U G E difference and to attempt to equate oranges and apples.

In a civilized society such beheadings are considered to be a horrific crime and an unimaginable deviation from norms of the society, when in a Muslim society it is either no crime or not a significant crime or not a significant deviation from a norm, when Muslim make videos of beheading journalists and other captives and post such videos practically bragging about such actions. When I see individuals trying to scrub everything possible, every rumor, every unconfirmed allegation and to make a post in oredr to conclude something like - ‘’So what, we are the same”, I feel a chill like I am watching cannibals in action. They never get tired of posting their morality of cannibals again and again.

Yes, they are the same.
 
I agree with you but wanted to correct a common historical mistake.

During the Inquisition "millions" were not put to death. Even the Spanish Inquisition (the most notorious) had around 3 to 5000 people actually put to death. Documented executions of the Inquisition pale in comparison to the 150,000 documented witch burnings elsewhere in Europe over the same centuries as you stated.

If they had killed millions, most of the total populations of western and eastern Europe would have been killed off.

OK. Carry on.

Your baseless insinuations about Inquisition and your attempts to draw a parallel with Muslims are appalling. Inquisition has played such a positive role in development and achievements of the Western civilization that not too many institutions in history can be compared with it. An Inquisitor deserves a memorial of appreciation in each city of Europe ( I am not sure if there are not such memorials, so, I have to say - provided that there not such memorials).
 
Your baseless insinuations about Inquisition and your attempts to draw a parallel with Muslims are appalling.

Well I am glad I did not draw any parallels to anything. I simply corrected incorrect historical information.

Inquisition has played such a positive role in development and achievements of the Western civilization that not too many institutions in history can be compared with it. An Inquisitor deserves a memorial of appreciation in each city of Europe ( I am not sure if there are not such memorials, so, I have to say - provided that there not such memorials).

Wow, just wow.
 
(It is a mishap that my posts were carried over to this page, - see the previous page for the beginning)

What kind of people do have to post insinuations about Christians and moreover - about Christians of the far past - all the time when today’s Muslims are in the question? What kind of morality or fairness or absence of there of do they represent?



I believe that religious go through stages of development, and that eventually, Islam will have a reformation. Let me give you a couple of examples:

1) Christianity is about 1,000 older than Islam. 1,000 years ago, beheadings were common.


For the sake of my Lord, ----- Christianity is said to be 550 years older than Islam , - and for more than a half of that time Christians were beheaded, tortured, fed alive to lions. Muslims started from beheading. These are well known facts. It would be impossible for any decent human being to imagine how then somebody would be able not only to equate the two opposite histories, experiences and practices, but to put the burden on Christians, if the one who is a human was not reading such things on DP all the time.
Christian monks were moving with no arms, compiling the Bible and the NT, making books which are known to us as works of Aristotle, Plato, Euclid and others in the first place, when Muslims were moving with swords in the first place.

Beheading was one of the favorite tools of Edward Longshanks, and it was done in the name of Christ. During the Inquisition, millions were put to death. In the Middle Ages, the burning of witches was a common occurance. You don't see hardly any of this practiced today because Christianity has matured.

Again, these are all baseless accusations which are not even worth to reply. Christianity has not matured, but has been trying to bring cannibals to maturity for all time of its history, though, as one can see, not always successfully. The lack of absolute success and obvious step backs and retreats of Christianity in this struggle do not mean righteousness of cannibalism defended by so many here. The only real histories of beheading we know in the West are the events that gave the birth to adepts and prophets of the era of the Enlightenment and human progress - the events of the French Revolution. And they still try to bring progress and enlightenment upon us… those adepts and prophets of Madam Guillotine.

2) Judaism - Under Mosaic law, stoning to death is expressly prescribed for women who commit adultery, and for many other "crimes" too. You do not see Jews stoning women to death any more, because Judaism also matured.

Again, throughout history we don’t see Judaists acting in such a way. They started from hundreds years of being slaves, - like Christianity started from suffering, they were persecuted in all countries after the exile (I don’t know what is the Judaist term for the exile), they were immediately attacked by Muslims after the attempt to end the millenniums of the persecution and the exile, .... – and still in spite of all the well known facts - there are so many who equate them with Muslims.

They are absolutely appalling.
 
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I call moral relativism. Is it the fact that he beheaded his wife, or that he's Muslim? Because frankly I don't see why this deserves special treatment. How many men, in any country, abuse their wives and/or kill them? Is a man shooting his wife and family in the United States any better than a Muslim businessmen beheading his wife? It's savagery everywhere you look.

If you want to look for a news story that backs up your racist agenda, I think you can do better than this. Maybe stick to the diatribe on Iran, that seems to garner a few more sympathizers.
 
The most simple thing is that people commit horrific crimes all the time. Psychos, serial killers, criminals, etc.

The simplest thing is that Muslims do not mind such crimes.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-charged-beheading-wife-2.html#post1057925813

Wow that's a very reliable source, a third hand testimony by an hypothetical and anonymous "muslim" via someone on an internet forum that creates only threads villifying Islam :shock:

Have you ever met Muslims? Have you ever been to Morroco or Egypt?

I have, and I have seen that the huge majority were normal people just like you and me, who don't give a **** to jihad or OBL. On average they're more conservative than Europeans (but they could be comparable to conservative Americans) but yes, they smoke, they drink alcohol and they are not misogynes.
 
I do not have to villify Islam muslims are doing a damn good job of it.

You may not feel like you have to, but that's exactly what you're doing.

And besides my main concern is human rights. In particular the rights of muslim women who are suffering and dying. And before you ask, yes I am concerned with violence against all women not just muslim women. Laila is a muslim women who used to work at a center for battered muslim women and she approves of my stance on this issue.

What about the women around the world who are the victims of honor killings, even beheadings, who aren't Muslim, aren't married to Muslims, and die in countries where Islam isn't the government's guiding light?

Why is it that every time you express this kind of "concern" for "human rights," it's about Islam and muslims?

Can you point me to threads of yours where you've been sounding the horn on other cultures as well?

Do you really want to discuss this issue or are you intrested in discrediting me by attempting to prove that I am an islamophobe?

I don't think there's much to prove, and I won't reiterate why. You know why.

Regardless, I asked you this question earlier:

On the one hand, this is terrible.

On the other hand, it always makes me giggle when people pop out of the woodwork to spank on Islam for this kind of thing.

I've lost count of the number of times I've read in the news about a husband killing his wife after he catches her cheating, right here in the USA.

How about the thirst in some parts of this country for blood when it comes to capital punishment?

I can't imagine the horror of having my head forcibly removed from my body, but for crying out loud man has been killing man since the dawn of, well, man. This isn't religious, this is visceral.

You continue to neglect to address my point.

If you want to discuss the issue :)lol:), there you go.
 
and such crimes are not persecuted or denounced in many Muslim countries and/or by the essential part or may be the overwhelming majority of Muslim clergy blossoming in Muslim and other countries, - including the US and the Western Europe, when such crimes are persecuted and denounced by any other civilized human being, - Christian, or Jewish or whatever.

It wasn't that long ago that black men were being hung in the United States for, well, being black men.

We're a long way from holding the high ground on civil rights and equal treatment.

Additionally, why do you (and other people who insist on demonizing Islam) persist in mistaking Islam and tribal culture? This kind of thing didn't start with Islam. It predated Islam.
 
Additionally, why do you (and other people who insist on demonizing Islam) persist in mistaking Islam and tribal culture? This kind of thing didn't start with Islam. It predated Islam.

Because it's fashionable to hate on Muslims. Gotta replace the Commies with something, right? ;)

Also, I do hope that Sgt Rock is going to go after Spain next. I'm sure that as a concerned human being he won't let the endemic violence committed against Spanish women by Spanish men go unnoticed. I look forward to this board being flooded with stories of Spanish women dying or being disfigured at the hands of those evil macho Catholic Iberian barbarians.

(I'm actually not kidding. Domestic violence in Spain has grown to such dramatic proportions the government had to run adds on the TV telling men to stop beating their wives and girlfriends. But they're not Muslim, so who cares, amirite?)
 
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That said, I do realize that honor killings are a problem in some parts of the Muslim world. Just as they were a big problem in some parts of the Catholic world (mainly Southern Italy and parts of South America). Courts were reluctant to inflict too severe a punishment on the men who committed these acts and often excused it as a "crime of passion". As if the fact that you love someone enough to kill them if they leave you is any sort of excuse, but what do I know.

Anyway, these crimes became much less common once the justice system started dealing with these murderers and abusers in a much more just way. No more "crime of passion" excuses, they got their ass sent to jail for a very long time. The same thing will have to happen for anything to change in the Muslim culture. When Muslim society as a whole sees these crimes for the barbaric acts they are, then things will change. Until then, many more men around the world will get away with this ****, just like many in our own Western culture used to get away with it just a few decades ago.
 
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Wow that's a very reliable source, a third hand testimony by an hypothetical and anonymous "muslim" via someone on an internet forum that creates only threads villifying Islam :shock:

Have you ever met Muslims? Have you ever been to Morroco or Egypt?

I have, and I have seen that the huge majority were normal people just like you and me, who don't give a **** to jihad or OBL. On average they're more conservative than Europeans (but they could be comparable to conservative Americans) but yes, they smoke, they drink alcohol and they are not misogynes.

The thing that you have to understand is that political forces, mainly government and the media, are trying desperately to turn the conflict of the past eight years into a religious one. They basicallly want the world to believe it is a religious war, and not an economic one.

The average Westerner has been successfully brainwashed into believing that the Middle East is one homogenous tribal region where Muslim fundamentalists run amock and bomb all their enemies. You can't blame them really... most have never even left the United States, how are they supposed to know the truth?

You are right... most people are just living their daily lives there... going to work, meeting up with friends after work, going to school, doing homework, dealing with financial stresses, falling in love, raising families, etc. But that is not what the Western establishment wants the average person to think, because that paints too innocent a picture.

It is so sadly predictable... it is depressing really.
 
Well, that's what I thought, since SgtRock's OP beat you to the punch by about a day and a half, but I was just checking.
 
The thing that you have to understand is that political forces, mainly government and the media, are trying desperately to turn the conflict of the past eight years into a religious one. They basicallly want the world to believe it is a religious war, and not an economic one.

The average Westerner has been successfully brainwashed into believing that the Middle East is one homogenous tribal region where Muslim fundamentalists run amock and bomb all their enemies. You can't blame them really... most have never even left the United States, how are they supposed to know the truth?

You are right... most people are just living their daily lives there... going to work, meeting up with friends after work, going to school, doing homework, dealing with financial stresses, falling in love, raising families, etc. But that is not what the Western establishment wants the average person to think, because that paints too innocent a picture.

It is so sadly predictable... it is depressing really.

The media is trying desperately to turn the conflict of the past eight years into a religious one? Thats why it took AP news 5 days to pick up this story, right? The murder of little Kali Anthony is being covered every day on CNN for a year but they havn't mentioned this story. They can't, everything is hush, hush. We don't want to report anything that might offend muslims. Everyone is walking on freakin egg shells.

Orius, the organizations I belong to such as ICHAK (International Campaign Against Honor Killings) is operated by muslim women. How do you explain that?

Oh, btw it is the jihadist that are trying to define this as a religious war. They declaired jihad (holy war) on the west.
 
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The media is trying desperately to turn the conflict of the past eight years into a religious one? Thats why it took AP news 5 days to pick up this story, right? The murder of little Kali Anthony is being covered every day on CNN for a year but they havn't mentioned this story. They can't, everything is hush, hush. We don't want to report anything that might offend muslims. Everyone is walking on freakin egg shells.

Orius, the organizations I belong to such as ICHAK (International Campaign Against Honor Killings) is operated by muslim women. How do you explain that?

You got that right - any time the media decides to be hush hush on any matter is not good for America, no matter what anyone thinks of Muslims.
This one got less coverage than it would have if a white man had cut off his white wife's head at his workplace and everyone knows it.
The walking on eggshells is very apparent. No matter a young mother lost her life and her children lost their mother. He's a muslim - o-o-o gotta be careful - if they had anything to do with it, they'd let him get away with murder.:lol:
 
I call moral relativism. Is it the fact that he beheaded his wife, or that he's Muslim? Because frankly I don't see why this deserves special treatment. How many men, in any country, abuse their wives and/or kill them? Is a man shooting his wife and family in the United States any better than a Muslim businessmen beheading his wife? It's savagery everywhere you look.

If you want to look for a news story that backs up your racist agenda, I think you can do better than this. Maybe stick to the diatribe on Iran, that seems to garner a few more sympathizers.

Please read this study by Phyllis Chesler, Dr. Chesler is an Emerita Professor of Psychology and Women's Studies at City University of New York. She just completed a study on honour killings and she explains the difference between domestic violence and honour killings.
This is a ling to her study

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence? - Middle East Quarterly

Here is Dr Phillis Chesler's official website

The Phyllis Chesler Organization - Official Site - Phyllis Chesler Biography
 
Please read this study by Phyllis Chesler, Dr. Chesler is an Emerita Professor of Psychology and Women's Studies at City University of New York. She just completed a study on honour killings and she explains the difference between domestic violence and honour killings.
This is a ling to her study

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence? - Middle East Quarterly

Here is Dr Phillis Chesler's official website

The Phyllis Chesler Organization - Official Site - Phyllis Chesler Biography

Bull****.

This is the same idiotic logic that brought us the so called "hate crimes" reasoning. Honor killings are part of the broad domestic violence problem. They are not a separate issue at all. Violence committed against family members by family members is domestic violence regardless of the reason behind it. Muslims hide behind religion to justify their actions, others hide behind other moronic excuses.

I don't care how many titles this woman has, her reasoning is as flawed as the "hate crimes" reasoning that would have us believe that such crimes are worse than other similar crimes. The end result is the same, is it not?
 
Bull****.

This is the same idiotic logic that brought us the so called "hate crimes" reasoning. Honor killings are part of the broad domestic violence problem. They are not a separate issue at all. Violence committed against family members by family members is domestic violence regardless of the reason behind it. Muslims hide behind religion to justify their actions, others hide behind other moronic excuses.

I don't care how many titles this woman has, her reasoning is as flawed as the "hate crimes" reasoning that would have us believe that such crimes are worse than other similar crimes. The end result is the same, is it not?

Thankyou for your opinion.
 
Wow that's a very reliable source, a third hand testimony by an hypothetical and anonymous "muslim" via someone on an internet forum that creates only threads villifying Islam

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The most simple thing is that people commit horrific crimes all the time. Psychos, serial killers, criminals, etc.

The simplest thing is that Muslims do not mind such crimes

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057925813 (Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife)


and such crimes are not persecuted or denounced in many Muslim countries and/or by the essential part or may be the overwhelming majority of Muslim clergy blossoming in Muslim and other countries, - including the US and the Western Europe, when such crimes are persecuted and denounced by any other civilized human being, - Christian, or Jewish or whatever.


2. When the one who gives a testimony says “’I saw”’
it is not a 3rd hand testimony, it is a 1st hand testimony.





via someone on an internet forum that creates only threads villifying Islam

3. Sgt Rock is not someone, the screen name is SgtRock.
4. Sgt Rock does not create only treads regarding Islam
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/40968-liberals-voice-concerns-about-obama.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/music-entertainment/43826-disturbing-priest.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/41383-obama-s-new-pastor-controversy-inauguration.html
5. Stating facts about Islam is not vilifying Islam.
6. Sgt Rock has proven that his facts may be cross checked. On other hand bub and others have not posted any facts that could be cross checked; they have managed to put 5 lies in 3 lines of 1 sentence. Anyone who then hear from them that one should believe their testimony/ lies and believes them rather than SgtRock’s testimony, is as low in his/her morals standings as bub and others.
7. The fact still remains that SgtRock’s testimony is just a drop in a whole sea of evidence that such crimes are not persecuted or denounced in many Muslim countries and/or by the essential part or may be the overwhelming majority of Muslim clergy blossoming in Muslim and other countries, - including the US and the Western Europe, when such crimes are persecuted and denounced by any other civilized human being, - Christian, or Jewish or whatever.


Have you ever met Muslims? Have you ever been to Morroco or Egypt?

I have, and I have seen that the huge majority were normal people just like you and me, who don't give a **** to jihad or OBL. On average they're more conservative than Europeans (but they could be comparable to conservative Americans) but yes, they smoke, they drink alcohol and they are not misogynes.

Wow bub who manages to make 5 fallacious statements in 3 lines of 1 sentence is a very reliable source….

8. red herring, - nobody has accused them that they hate women. Moreover they are allowed to have 4 women according their religion.
9. Nobody has accused them in not smoking and/or not drinking alcohol.
10. You have seen only the part you have wanted to see, and you keep throwing red herring to take us, normal people away from another part which is the topic of the tread.
 
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