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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's a good thing that you and other Muslim haters are not in a position of power to bring your dreams of Muslim hatred to fruition.

    Sad that people full of hatred such as yourself exists in this day and age.
    Perception is reality, expecially when you are talking about casting every Muslim into the same mold. But who is responsible for changing that perception? does the responsibility lie with "me" or with "them"?

    In this country we have a concept of freedom, but true idealistic freedom cannot exist in an ordered society. For example, if everyone were free, really and truly free and at liberty to do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted without regard for society, well, that would be some ****hole like Somalia . In our society we have all agreed that there are certain things that are beyond the pale. These have been codified as criminal acts.

    The issue with Islam and it's practitioners is that they do not subscribe to these same social constraints and laws. In fact, they view their own religious law as superior.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

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    The issue with Islam and it's practitioners is that they do not subscribe to these same social constraints and laws. In fact, they view their own religious law as superior.
    Really, can you show us proof where the majority of the followers of Islam in the United states do not subscribe to our laws and social constraints?

    You are painting a pretty broad brush for over 1.2 BILLION followers of a religion don't you think?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Really, can you show us proof where the majority of the followers of Islam in the United states do not subscribe to our laws and social constraints?

    You are painting a pretty broad brush for over 1.2 BILLION followers of a religion don't you think?
    As in the US, not yet, but look at regions, such as Detroit that have been bending with the wind for some time. The more dense an Islamic population within a district, the more the elected officials in that area will appease thier constituency. Now, while that is true for any interest group, while the others may merely be a moral issue, this potentially carries a severe safety issue; for those within and without.

    I see cultural and social indicators that, the US culture is in danger of being repressed in favor of a culture that is, by it's very nature, abhorrent to my sensibilities, well, I'm shocked. Islam censures, by death if necessary, the standard of the day. Personal freedoms are curtailed in nearly every aspect of life to perpetuate the concentration of power in familial, tribal, and religious positions.

    People who do not subscribe to certain tenants are ostracized, subjugated, or put to death and this is not restricted to outsiders, but includes FAMILY MEMBERS. That society has developed based upon Islamic teachings and Sharia Law. It puts Sharia Law above any other, creating problems in non-Muslim countries that have Muslim inhabitants.

    This is a clash of societies and culture on a fundamental level

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's a good thing that you and other Muslim haters are not in a position of power to bring your dreams of Muslim hatred to fruition.

    Sad that people full of hatred such as yourself exists in this day and age.
    No what's sad is that there's an ideology in the modern era in which the mainstream view held by all five major Islamic sects is that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are still punished through death by stoning and premarital sex is punished by 100 lashes, and women who have been raped must provide 4 male witnesses and failing that they themselves can be executed or lashed for adultery or premarital sex. And what's even more sad is that we're told to respect this ideology as one of peace and tolerance when once again those aforementioned views are the mainstream and counter views are in the fringe and not held as dogma in ANY of the 5 major Islamic sects.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Ok I cannot even be bothered to to look through the whole thread, all I needed was the first page.

    To quote Samuel L Jackson. "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

    I have HAD IT with this crap. "My religion is less violent than this religion bull****"

    Why do you care? There are tons of religious nuts out there of every stripe that think they hear god through the speakerphone. And act on crap not even permitted by their own holy book.

    This one incident does not speak for all Islam. And niether does it excempt Christianity for its bull**** either.

    Take religion out of it for once. This bastard did it because he is a complete retard, yeah he may have read a book or something but its still as stupid as blaming columbine on Marilyn manson or GTA

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ok I cannot even be bothered to to look through the whole thread, all I needed was the first page.

    To quote Samuel L Jackson. "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

    I have HAD IT with this crap. "My religion is less violent than this religion bull****"

    Why do you care? There are tons of religious nuts out there of every stripe that think they hear god through the speakerphone. And act on crap not even permitted by their own holy book.

    This one incident does not speak for all Islam. And niether does it excempt Christianity for its bull**** either.

    Take religion out of it for once. This bastard did it because he is a complete retard, yeah he may have read a book or something but its still as stupid as blaming columbine on Marilyn manson or GTA
    Which major Christian sect still calls for the death penalty in cases of adultery, apostasy, and homosexuality? Which major Christian sect calls for 100 lashes for premarital sex? Which major Christian sects still calls for 4 male witnesses to rape and then proceeds to execute or lash the victim when she can not produce them? Yes Christianity is inherently violent, however, the violent aspects are no longer held as dogma by any of the major sects; whereas, the exact opposite is the case within Islam.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Which major Christian sect still calls for the death penalty in cases of adultery, apostasy, and homosexuality? Which major Christian sect calls for 100 lashes for premarital sex? Which major Christian sects still calls for 4 male witnesses to rape and then proceeds to execute or lash the victim when she can not produce them? Yes Christianity is inherently violent, however, the violent aspects are no longer held as dogma by any of the major sects; whereas, the exact opposite is the case within Islam.
    The theocratical sects of Islamic populations are not in discussion here. Countries like Saudi Arabia are that way, because the religious are in control of the courts and laws and so forth. There are plenty of Christians who would love nothing more then some of the rules in Saudi Arabia and other places if they had the power.

    I cannot stress this enough. Religion of all stripes but especially Islam is a tool for extremism, not the be all, and end all factor. One has to take all circumstances into account. Geo-Political, Historical and economical.

    This particular guy is not a spokesman for all Islam. And never ever claimed to be a saint. End of Story. He's a whackhead. Done deal.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I do not have to villify Islam muslims are doing a damn good job of it. And besides my main concern is human rights. In particular the rights of muslim women who are suffering and dying. And before you ask, yes I am concerned with violence against all women not just muslim women. Laila is a muslim women who used to work at a center for battered muslim women and she approves of my stance on this issue. Do you really want to discuss this issue or are you intrested in discrediting me by attempting to prove that I am an islamophobe?
    Please do not use my name as a shield.
    I think you have changed ... alot.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Perception is reality, expecially when you are talking about casting every Muslim into the same mold. But who is responsible for changing that perception? does the responsibility lie with "me" or with "them"?

    In this country we have a concept of freedom, but true idealistic freedom cannot exist in an ordered society. For example, if everyone were free, really and truly free and at liberty to do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted without regard for society, well, that would be some ****hole like Somalia . In our society we have all agreed that there are certain things that are beyond the pale. These have been codified as criminal acts.

    The issue with Islam and it's practitioners is that they do not subscribe to these same social constraints and laws. In fact, they view their own religious law as superior.
    What a stupid comment.
    Everyone in Somalia is not free to do whatever they want. They now have Islamists in charge. Learn to google.

    Oh and nice generalization of 1.2 billion people.
    Now hold there whilst I go murder my next door neighbours for daring to put a cross on their front door. I mean, how dare they?! Everyone know Islam is the most superior religion in the world.


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The theocratical sects of Islamic populations are not in discussion here. Countries like Saudi Arabia are that way, because the religious are in control of the courts and laws and so forth. There are plenty of Christians who would love nothing more then some of the rules in Saudi Arabia and other places if they had the power.
    Negative. Thats why I'm against a theocratic government, whatever the religion. Including Christianity.

    Sheep people are people and they are weak and flawed. A theocratic, autocratic government has been a failure and an abuse of human rights wherever and whenever it has been tried.



    This particular guy is not a spokesman for all Islam. And never ever claimed to be a saint. End of Story. He's a whackhead. Done deal.
    Nope. That dude is just the tip of the iceberg.....

    You also need to think about, Muslims in Europe. Europe is not the US, but what happens there will affect us. Isolationism aka containment won't work. Europe has a declining white or European population. Their social programs require a constant and growing workforce to provide the tax base and since they can't provide the population via their intrinsic birthrate, they have had to import or allow immigration of foreign workers. Due to geographical proximity, the majority of immigrants to Europe are Muslim, just like the majority here are Mejicanos

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