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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree with you but wanted to correct a common historical mistake.

    During the Inquisition "millions" were not put to death. Even the Spanish Inquisition (the most notorious) had around 3 to 5000 people actually put to death. Documented executions of the Inquisition pale in comparison to the 150,000 documented witch burnings elsewhere in Europe over the same centuries as you stated.

    If they had killed millions, most of the total populations of western and eastern Europe would have been killed off.

    OK. Carry on.
    Your baseless insinuations about Inquisition and your attempts to draw a parallel with Muslims are appalling. Inquisition has played such a positive role in development and achievements of the Western civilization that not too many institutions in history can be compared with it. An Inquisitor deserves a memorial of appreciation in each city of Europe ( I am not sure if there are not such memorials, so, I have to say - provided that there not such memorials).

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    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Your baseless insinuations about Inquisition and your attempts to draw a parallel with Muslims are appalling.
    Well I am glad I did not draw any parallels to anything. I simply corrected incorrect historical information.

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Inquisition has played such a positive role in development and achievements of the Western civilization that not too many institutions in history can be compared with it. An Inquisitor deserves a memorial of appreciation in each city of Europe ( I am not sure if there are not such memorials, so, I have to say - provided that there not such memorials).
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    (It is a mishap that my posts were carried over to this page, - see the previous page for the beginning)

    What kind of people do have to post insinuations about Christians and moreover - about Christians of the far past - all the time when today’s Muslims are in the question? What kind of morality or fairness or absence of there of do they represent?



    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that religious go through stages of development, and that eventually, Islam will have a reformation. Let me give you a couple of examples:

    1) Christianity is about 1,000 older than Islam. 1,000 years ago, beheadings were common.

    For the sake of my Lord, ----- Christianity is said to be 550 years older than Islam , - and for more than a half of that time Christians were beheaded, tortured, fed alive to lions. Muslims started from beheading. These are well known facts. It would be impossible for any decent human being to imagine how then somebody would be able not only to equate the two opposite histories, experiences and practices, but to put the burden on Christians, if the one who is a human was not reading such things on DP all the time.
    Christian monks were moving with no arms, compiling the Bible and the NT, making books which are known to us as works of Aristotle, Plato, Euclid and others in the first place, when Muslims were moving with swords in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Beheading was one of the favorite tools of Edward Longshanks, and it was done in the name of Christ. During the Inquisition, millions were put to death. In the Middle Ages, the burning of witches was a common occurance. You don't see hardly any of this practiced today because Christianity has matured.
    Again, these are all baseless accusations which are not even worth to reply. Christianity has not matured, but has been trying to bring cannibals to maturity for all time of its history, though, as one can see, not always successfully. The lack of absolute success and obvious step backs and retreats of Christianity in this struggle do not mean righteousness of cannibalism defended by so many here. The only real histories of beheading we know in the West are the events that gave the birth to adepts and prophets of the era of the Enlightenment and human progress - the events of the French Revolution. And they still try to bring progress and enlightenment upon us… those adepts and prophets of Madam Guillotine.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    2) Judaism - Under Mosaic law, stoning to death is expressly prescribed for women who commit adultery, and for many other "crimes" too. You do not see Jews stoning women to death any more, because Judaism also matured.
    Again, throughout history we don’t see Judaists acting in such a way. They started from hundreds years of being slaves, - like Christianity started from suffering, they were persecuted in all countries after the exile (I don’t know what is the Judaist term for the exile), they were immediately attacked by Muslims after the attempt to end the millenniums of the persecution and the exile, .... – and still in spite of all the well known facts - there are so many who equate them with Muslims.

    They are absolutely appalling.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    I call moral relativism. Is it the fact that he beheaded his wife, or that he's Muslim? Because frankly I don't see why this deserves special treatment. How many men, in any country, abuse their wives and/or kill them? Is a man shooting his wife and family in the United States any better than a Muslim businessmen beheading his wife? It's savagery everywhere you look.

    If you want to look for a news story that backs up your racist agenda, I think you can do better than this. Maybe stick to the diatribe on Iran, that seems to garner a few more sympathizers.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    The most simple thing is that people commit horrific crimes all the time. Psychos, serial killers, criminals, etc.

    The simplest thing is that Muslims do not mind such crimes.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057925813
    Wow that's a very reliable source, a third hand testimony by an hypothetical and anonymous "muslim" via someone on an internet forum that creates only threads villifying Islam

    Have you ever met Muslims? Have you ever been to Morroco or Egypt?

    I have, and I have seen that the huge majority were normal people just like you and me, who don't give a **** to jihad or OBL. On average they're more conservative than Europeans (but they could be comparable to conservative Americans) but yes, they smoke, they drink alcohol and they are not misogynes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I do not have to villify Islam muslims are doing a damn good job of it.
    You may not feel like you have to, but that's exactly what you're doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    And besides my main concern is human rights. In particular the rights of muslim women who are suffering and dying. And before you ask, yes I am concerned with violence against all women not just muslim women. Laila is a muslim women who used to work at a center for battered muslim women and she approves of my stance on this issue.
    What about the women around the world who are the victims of honor killings, even beheadings, who aren't Muslim, aren't married to Muslims, and die in countries where Islam isn't the government's guiding light?

    Why is it that every time you express this kind of "concern" for "human rights," it's about Islam and muslims?

    Can you point me to threads of yours where you've been sounding the horn on other cultures as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Do you really want to discuss this issue or are you intrested in discrediting me by attempting to prove that I am an islamophobe?
    I don't think there's much to prove, and I won't reiterate why. You know why.

    Regardless, I asked you this question earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    On the one hand, this is terrible.

    On the other hand, it always makes me giggle when people pop out of the woodwork to spank on Islam for this kind of thing.

    I've lost count of the number of times I've read in the news about a husband killing his wife after he catches her cheating, right here in the USA.

    How about the thirst in some parts of this country for blood when it comes to capital punishment?

    I can't imagine the horror of having my head forcibly removed from my body, but for crying out loud man has been killing man since the dawn of, well, man. This isn't religious, this is visceral.
    You continue to neglect to address my point.

    If you want to discuss the issue (), there you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    and such crimes are not persecuted or denounced in many Muslim countries and/or by the essential part or may be the overwhelming majority of Muslim clergy blossoming in Muslim and other countries, - including the US and the Western Europe, when such crimes are persecuted and denounced by any other civilized human being, - Christian, or Jewish or whatever.
    It wasn't that long ago that black men were being hung in the United States for, well, being black men.

    We're a long way from holding the high ground on civil rights and equal treatment.

    Additionally, why do you (and other people who insist on demonizing Islam) persist in mistaking Islam and tribal culture? This kind of thing didn't start with Islam. It predated Islam.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Additionally, why do you (and other people who insist on demonizing Islam) persist in mistaking Islam and tribal culture? This kind of thing didn't start with Islam. It predated Islam.
    Because it's fashionable to hate on Muslims. Gotta replace the Commies with something, right?

    Also, I do hope that Sgt Rock is going to go after Spain next. I'm sure that as a concerned human being he won't let the endemic violence committed against Spanish women by Spanish men go unnoticed. I look forward to this board being flooded with stories of Spanish women dying or being disfigured at the hands of those evil macho Catholic Iberian barbarians.

    (I'm actually not kidding. Domestic violence in Spain has grown to such dramatic proportions the government had to run adds on the TV telling men to stop beating their wives and girlfriends. But they're not Muslim, so who cares, amirite?)
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    That said, I do realize that honor killings are a problem in some parts of the Muslim world. Just as they were a big problem in some parts of the Catholic world (mainly Southern Italy and parts of South America). Courts were reluctant to inflict too severe a punishment on the men who committed these acts and often excused it as a "crime of passion". As if the fact that you love someone enough to kill them if they leave you is any sort of excuse, but what do I know.

    Anyway, these crimes became much less common once the justice system started dealing with these murderers and abusers in a much more just way. No more "crime of passion" excuses, they got their ass sent to jail for a very long time. The same thing will have to happen for anything to change in the Muslim culture. When Muslim society as a whole sees these crimes for the barbaric acts they are, then things will change. Until then, many more men around the world will get away with this ****, just like many in our own Western culture used to get away with it just a few decades ago.
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