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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by jrh View Post
    I agree, and you make a comment worth a moments reflection. Im adding, the bible; my bible says things about the way women are owned by men. So it is not just the Quran
    Yeah, but it shows that the Bible has weird rules in it too, but people in Christian majority countries don't force everyone to submit to these rules. Even though the Bible says things about women being owned by men, Christian majority countries still allow for equality between men and women. Muslim countries do not have this equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Yeah, but it shows that the Bible has weird rules in it too, but people in Christian majority countries don't force everyone to submit to these rules. Even though the Bible says things about women being owned by men, Christian majority countries still allow for equality between men and women. Muslim countries do not have this equality.
    When the Church had sufficient power and authority, these rules most certainly were forced on others.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, a perversion of Islam is at the very core of their movement.

    Just like a perversion of Christianity was at the very core of the Roman Catholic Church and its quest for more and more power.
    It doesn't matter if it is a twisting of the religion, or if they have hijacked Islam, the point is that for these groups, religion and Islam is at the very core of their movement.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    When the Church had sufficient power and authority, these rules most certainly were forced on others.
    Just the same, the Islamic caliphates back in the day enforced their rules on their subjects too. But now its the 21st century. Other religions have transformed and coexisted with modern life, but Islamic countries haven't transformed significantly, the one exception may be Turkey.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    But now its the 21st century. Other religions have transformed and coexisted with modern life, but Islamic countries haven't transformed significantly, the one exception may be Turkey.
    And yet again that is because religious dominated governments DO NOT WORK. Whether it be Christianity dominated or Islam dominated, THEOCRACIES, TYRANNIES, and DICTATORSHIPS DO NOT WORK.

    You are blaming a religion when you should be blaming the governments.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    It doesn't matter if it is a twisting of the religion, or if they have hijacked Islam, the point is that for these groups, religion and Islam is at the very core of their movement.
    The fact that these groups are twisting Islam to fit their own ends doesn't matter to you?

    The fact that they have to twist Islam means that the violence isn't being religiously inspired -- the religion is being warped into a tool which is in turn used to justify the violence. If their twisted version of Islam wins them recruits, so much the better, but that's not even the main reason they do it, and if there had been no Islam around for them to twist they would've found something else.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Just the same, the Islamic caliphates back in the day enforced their rules on their subjects too. But now its the 21st century. Other religions have transformed and coexisted with modern life, but Islamic countries haven't transformed significantly, the one exception may be Turkey.
    They haven't transformed and coexisted. They lost their ability to control the populace.

    In other words, they didn't stop doing what they were doing because they chose to, they had to.

    That's the difference.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They haven't transformed and coexisted. They lost their ability to control the populace.

    In other words, they didn't stop doing what they were doing because they chose to, they had to.

    That's the difference.
    Nevertheless they changed, and its time the primitive Islamic societies of the world also change.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Nevertheless they changed, and its time the primitive Islamic societies of the world also change.
    You know what's even more primitive?

    The kind of hate and fear you've been venting at Islam in general. That kind of hate and fear has been around since the dawn of man.

    It's time for you to change -- before you point your finger at others.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The fact that these groups are twisting Islam to fit their own ends doesn't matter to you?

    The fact that they have to twist Islam means that the violence isn't being religiously inspired -- the religion is being warped into a tool which is in turn used to justify the violence. If their twisted version of Islam wins them recruits, so much the better, but that's not even the main reason they do it, and if there had been no Islam around for them to twist they would've found something else.

    How exactly have they twisted it exactly? This has been mainstream Islam since its very inception, what we need is liberal reformers to twist it from its steady 15 hundred year path into the modern era.

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