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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

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    If you actually advocate abortion publically you do run the risk of excommunication. And if you're pro-abortion and pro-gay rights why would you go to a church and put money in a collection plate to support an organization that you don't agree with?
    Why are you asking me this? I don't have a freaking clue why religious people do what they do. They endlessly mystify me. All I'm telling you is they do it. They have fundamental disagreements with what the elite in their faiths claim is the ultimate truth and yet they still manage to not only consider themselves part of that faith but actively participate in it. As an atheist I find this paradox that I've noticed in every single faith on the planet utterly fascinating.
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    You still haven't given any evidence Ric on how I am two faced.
    Be careful of whom you associate with.
    Instead you have gone off on a rant about God knows what.
    Another Muslim conspiracy no doubt.
    I'll take it a step further. If it comes down to survival. Extinction as a culture, religion, way of life, etc... extinction as a people and descent into what we consider barbarism and slavery like your religion, Islam

    If your choices come down to that or genocidal warfare against your enemy, what is your choice? Genocide can happen in many ways and it doesn't have to occur with guns, nukes, etc. If in 100 years, there is no religion in the UK but Islam. The Bible doesn't exist, only the Koran. There is no trial by jury, only an Imam and Sharia law. History other than Islamic history doesn't exist. The cathedrals and churches that aren't pulled down are turned into mosques. Is that not a form of genocide?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    I just wanted to post in this thread because I think there is a correlation between Islam and violence. I can't find the quote now, but I think Reza Aslan said once "Islam has a problem with terror". These are not isolated incidences, but a correlation between the culture and ideas or whatever it is. I'm not saying that all Muslims are violent, but what I'm saying is that there is a significant fraction who are and you can make a correlation from it.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    I just wanted to post in this thread because I think there is a correlation between Islam and violence. I can't find the quote now, but I think Reza Aslan said once "Islam has a problem with terror". These are not isolated incidences, but a correlation between the culture and ideas or whatever it is. I'm not saying that all Muslims are violent, but what I'm saying is that there is a significant fraction who are and you can make a correlation from it.
    There isn't a correlation between Islam and violence as it is that there's a correlation of political powerful religious institutions and violence.

    As I've said elsewhere, it's not so much that Christians suddenly had an awakening and became more humane and accepting. It's that its elders and institutions steadily lost political power, until they had to learn to live with the world around them.

    Also, I don't think there's a source on the planet which could reliably back up your assertion that a significant fraction of Muslims are violent. Feel free to prove me wrong.


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There isn't a correlation between Islam and violence as it is that there's a correlation of political powerful religious institutions and violence.
    Um, yeah, there is a correlation between Islam and violence. Take for example India and Pakistan. The two are similar countries, the only major difference being their religion. In fact, the two were originally part of the same country until they were partitioned into one being an Islamic country, and one not. Pakistan is one of the major sources of terror in the world. Look at how many suicide bombings it has. Pakistanis are also responsible for attacks conducted in other countries. How many terrorist attacks originated from India? You'll have a hard time finding one.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Also, I don't think there's a source on the planet which could reliably back up your assertion that a significant fraction of Muslims are violent. Feel free to prove me wrong.
    Ok, Al-Queda, Taliban, Al-Shabab, Jemaah Islamiyah, etc. etc. how many people is that? That's a significant fraction. Take a look at this: Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and try to tell me that 'there aren't anymore violent Islamists than in any other religion'.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    As I've said elsewhere, it's not so much that Christians suddenly had an awakening and became more humane and accepting. It's that its elders and institutions steadily lost political power, until they had to learn to live with the world around them.
    What does that even mean, elders who? The most powerful nations in the world are majority Christian, and they lost political power? Britain, France, US, Italy, Germany, maybe Russia, these are Christian nations and they're not weak either.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There isn't a correlation between Islam and violence as it is that there's a correlation of political powerful religious institutions and violence.

    As I've said elsewhere, it's not so much that Christians suddenly had an awakening and became more humane and accepting. It's that its elders and institutions steadily lost political power, until they had to learn to live with the world around them.

    Also, I don't think there's a source on the planet which could reliably back up your assertion that a significant fraction of Muslims are violent. Feel free to prove me wrong.


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    Can't wait to hear what Opteron's bull**** definition of "significant fraction" is.
    Where did you run off to?
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Where did you run away to?
    I didn't run away, I laughed at you and decided to save you for a midnight snack. Very well, here we go:

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Um, yeah, there is a correlation between Islam and violence. Take for example India and Pakistan. The two are similar countries, the only major difference being their religion. In fact, the two were originally part of the same country until they were partitioned into one being an Islamic country, and one not. Pakistan is one of the major sources of terror in the world. Look at how many suicide bombings it has. Pakistanis are also responsible for attacks conducted in other countries. How many terrorist attacks originated from India? You'll have a hard time finding one.
    You didn't respond to what I actually said. I was saying that it's not so much about Islam as it is about a religion having power. Historically, politically powerful religious sects have incited all kinds of violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Ok, Al-Queda, Taliban, Al-Shabab, Jemaah Islamiyah, etc. etc. how many people is that? That's a significant fraction. Take a look at this: Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and try to tell me that 'there aren't anymore violent Islamists than in any other religion'.
    You still haven't defined what "a significant fraction" is.

    You are continuing to ignore my point about how this isn't about Islam, so much as it is about a religion having political power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    What does that even mean, elders who? The most powerful nations in the world are majority Christian, and they lost political power? Britain, France, US, Italy, Germany, maybe Russia, these are Christian nations and they're not weak either.
    Are you actually reading what I'm posting?

    Wait, let me answer my own question: No.

    Last edited by TacticalEvilDan; 07-25-10 at 05:10 PM.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I didn't run away, I laughed at you and decided to save you for a midnight snack. Very well, here we go:
    Right, because you haven't answered any of the points I brought up in my posts. I laugh at your attempt at a response.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You didn't respond to what I actually said. I was saying that it's not so much about Islam as it is about a religion having power. Historically, politically powerful religious sects have incited all kinds of violence.
    Do you have a coherent point to make here? Or just some vagueries about elders and religion having political power. It is about Islam and it is about the prevalence of violence observed within the religion. It has nothing to do with political power.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You still haven't defined what "a significant fraction" is.
    So the whole of your point is trying to question what "significant fraction" means. If you don't have enough sense to figure out that the number of Islamic terrorist organizations listed in Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is significant, there's not much point in responding to you.

    Nevertheless, if your whole counterpoint requires a definition of the term, we can say that a significant fraction is a number statistically significant, or its a number of terrorist involved people that is greater than the average of other religions. If you require a number, we can say its greater than 50% of the average of other religions, even double. It doesn't even really matter because there are many more terrorist involved organizations in Islam than any other religions, the exact number won't matter too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Are you actually reading what I'm posting?

    Wait, let me answer my own question: No.

    It won't do me any good, anything you write is incoherent babble anyways.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Right, because you haven't answered any of the points I brought up in my posts. I laugh at your attempt at a response.
    It's easy to laugh at me when you're not even bothering to read what I'm saying. I've been pretty clear, and you're pretty clearly confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Do you have a coherent point to make here? Or just some vagueries about elders and religion having political power. It is about Islam and it is about the prevalence of violence observed within the religion. It has nothing to do with political power.
    That's my point -- it has everything to do with political power. The more power any human organization or institution has, the more likely it is to use violence to achieve its ends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    So the whole of your point is trying to question what "significant fraction" means. If you don't have enough sense to figure out that the number of Islamic terrorist organizations listed in Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is significant, there's not much point in responding to you.
    It wasn't my whole point, as you would've known if you were reading what I was saying, but it certainly was one of my points. You were refusing to define the term, so I poked you about it repeatedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Nevertheless, if your whole counterpoint requires a definition of the term, we can say that a significant fraction is a number statistically significant, or its a number of terrorist involved people that is greater than the average of other religions. If you require a number, we can say its greater than 50% of the average of other religions, even double. It doesn't even really matter because there are many more terrorist involved organizations in Islam than any other religions, the exact number won't matter too much.
    That's not a definition. That doesn't even come close to a definition. For one thing, you can't decide if your "definition" involves terrorist organizations, or "terrorist involved people," whatever the hell that means. Furthermore, you can't compare modern Islam and modern Christianity, because they're practically apples and oranges when you take into account that the problem isn't the religion, it's the political power available to that religion's adherants.

    Hell, if you compare modern Islam to Christianity at its height, you'd probably find that politically powerful Christianity is a hell of a lot more violent than modern Islam -- and that rather than making Christianity look bad, it makes my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    It won't do me any good, anything you write is incoherent babble anyways.
    That'll happen to you when reading comprehension is a weakness of yours, rather than a strength.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Hell, if you compare modern Islam to Christianity at its height, you'd probably find that politically powerful Christianity is a hell of a lot more violent than modern Islam -- and that rather than making Christianity look bad, it makes my point.
    Except Islamic radicals are responsible for more deaths annually than during the entire Spanish Inquisition. In fact Islamic Imperialists are responsible for the largest genocide in history up until Hitler which they perpetrated on the Indian Subcontinent.

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