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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Who is the speaker for Christians, all christians.

    What singular source of law sets the rules for all christians or at least those who are good practising christians
    Like in Islam there are many schools of Christian thought each with their own hierarchal leadership structures and differing dogma, however, there is some things all of the major Christian sects agree on; such as, the divinity of Jesus and that Jesus "suffered on the cross, died and was buried, rose again on the third day in fullfillment of the scriptures and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end," likewise there is a consensus opinion among all five major sects of Islamic dogma that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    He isn't Muslim.
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    According to who you? If he's not a Muslim what is he? An apostate?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Next question.
    Yep all the aforementioned hierarchal leadership and set consensus dogma are all just figments of my imagination.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I never denied it existed.

    But there is no speaker for Muslims.

    As I said, to find our representative you will have to wait till Jesus returns ... if you are still alive by then ofc
    Quite a few Muslims support the reestablishment of a singular Caliph actually.

    Furthermore; what would you call the Ulama if not a religous hierarchy which establishes consensus Islamic dogma?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Like in Islam there are many schools of Christian thought each with their own hierarchal leadership structures and differing dogma, however, there is some things all of the major Christian sects agree on; such as, the divinity of Jesus and that Jesus "suffered on the cross, died and was buried, rose again on the third day in fullfillment of the scriptures and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end," likewise there is a consensus opinion among all five major sects of Islamic dogma that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses.

    Pfft. Bull****.

    In Islam there is no "church-like" hierarchy. When we pray it is directly to God and we only serve God and no one speaks on behalf of Allah or Islam.
    Everyone is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs and will be judged on that by God alone.

    Hence why Allah is the sovereign and our shahada is how it is.
    It doesn't have at the end "Oh and Priests and Pope can also make up rules on our behalf and speak for us"
    Last edited by Laila; 07-19-10 at 03:43 AM.


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What you think is "cool" means jack **** to Muslims.

    Your opinion means little when it comes to Islam as you do not even follow the religion
    Unfortunately when the consensus opinion within all of Islamic sects is that apostasy, adultery, and homosexuality are capital offenses it becomes a problem for the rest of us. I understand that Islam is very resitant to outside modern influences and punishes those who strive for internal reform, but that is kind of the whole point here.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Quite a few Muslims support the reestablishment of a singular Caliph actually.

    Furthermore; what would you call the Ulama if not a religous hierarchy which establishes consensus Islamic dogma?
    So? That means little. It will never happen.
    A group of Muslim scholars giving their interpretation of the Qu'ran and texts.


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pfft. Bull****.

    In Islam there is no "church-like" hierarchy.
    Nope no Ulama, no Ijma, no schools of Islamic Fiqh, no hierarchy whatsoever.

    When we pray it is directly to God and we only serve God and no one speaks on behalf of Allah or Islam.
    Everyone is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs and will be judged on that by God alone.
    They will be judged by the Ulama before they are judged by their god. Maybe that's not the way you want it to be but that's the way it is.

    Hence why Allah is the sovereign and our shahada is how it is.
    It doesn't have at the end "Oh and Priests and Pope can also make up rules on our behalf and speak for us"
    No Ulama, no Ijma, and no Fiqh. All just figments of my imagination. Just made up terms (patents pending).

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    According to who you? If he's not a Muslim what is he? An apostate?
    According to him he is not a Muslim.
    Who am I to disagree?


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    A group of Muslim scholars giving their interpretation of the Qu'ran and texts.
    lol no it's a group of Muslim scholars which determine Islamic Fiqh IE Law, and they form consensus opinions with one another to form Ijma. It is a decentralized leadership structure but it comes to consensus centralized legal opinions which establish a set Islamic law.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 07-19-10 at 03:49 AM.

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