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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    He may not be your representative but your actual representatives are still calling for the death penalty in cases of apostasy, homosexuality, and adultery along with 100 lashes for premarital sex and 4 male witnesses to rape and when the women can not provide them then they run the risk of being tried for adultery or premarital sex, unless of course you are a sufi in which case I apologize but the sufi's are seen as heretical by mainstream Islam.
    I have no representative.
    Islam has no representative. There is no one on this Earth that has the authority to speak for Islam until Jesus returns.

    I do not support the death penalty and I have always been a strong supporter of gay rights and on the topic of adultery.
    It is not for me to be judge, jury and executioner.
    I have no moral ground or authority to preach to other people on the rights or wrongs of their actions, it will not be me they will answer to but God.


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have no representative.
    Islam has no representative. There is no one on this Earth that has the authority to speak for Islam until Jesus returns.
    So you don't go to Mosqu? You don't have an Imam? You don't consider yourself either Shia or Sunni?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So you don't go to Mosqu? You don't have an Imam? You don't consider yourself either Shia or Sunni?
    I go Mosque every week and yes I have a Imam.
    And no I do not consider myself Shia or Sunni.
    I think the mere existence of sects goes against the priniciple of ummah


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to remember also that just because someone subscribes to a specific sect doesn't mean they accept everything in that particular sect.

    I had a good friend from Iraq and his wife was from Iran, if I'm not mistaken their religious factions were not supposed to allow them to marry but they did.
    Hell he knew I was part Jew and we were really good friends.

    You can be a liberal Sunni or Shia.
    I suppose you can be a liberal Muslim if you don't go to Mosque or follow an Imam. You can not be a liberal Shia or Sunni, however, as both Shia and Sunni sects of Islam believe in the aforementioned punishments for non-crimes. I suppose you could technically be vocally opposed to such views but then you would run the risk of being labeled a heretic and being labeled a Takfir and that would entail the punishment for apostasy which is death. The Christian parallel I suppose would be excommunication for cases; such as, Catholics who are pro-life, it doesn't always happen but it is a distinct possibility especially when the individual in question is in a position to actually make a difference and change the minds of others.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I go Mosque every week and yes I have a Imam.
    I thought you said that Islam has no representative on earth? Then what would you call the spiritual leadership of the Imam if not religious representation on earth? Does your Imam not subscribe to any of the five major schools of Islamic Fiqh? Does your Imam not consider himself to be either Sunni or Shia as well? And if he does subscribe to one of 5 schools of Islamic fiqh which I can almost guarantee that he does then why would you go to his mosque every week to listen to someone who you claim to totally disagree with?
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 07-19-10 at 01:31 AM.

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I suppose you can be a liberal Muslim if you don't go to Mosque or follow an Imam.
    Huh?
    How did you work that one out?


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I suppose you can be a liberal Muslim if you don't go to Mosque or follow an Imam. You can not be a liberal Shia or Sunni, however, as both Shia and Sunni sects of Islam believe in the aforementioned punishments for non-crimes. I suppose you could technically be vocally opposed to such views but then you would run the risk of being labeled a heretic and being labeled a Takfir and that would entail the punishment for apostasy which is death. The Christian parallel I suppose would be excommunication for cases; such as, Catholics who are pro-life, it doesn't always happen but it is a distinct possibility especially when the individual in question is in a position to actually make a difference and change the minds of others.
    Things may be different in context but the southern Baptist sect of Christianity can be pretty strict.
    One of our forum members happens to be what I consider a liberal Baptist.

    You may go to mosque for your spiritual fulfillment but may not ascribe to everything an Imam says.
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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Huh?
    How did you work that one out?
    Well what Imam does not subscribe to any of the 5 major schools of Islamic fiqh?

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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I thought you said that Islam has no representative on earth? Then what would you call the spiritual leadership of the Imam if not religious representation on earth? Does your Imam not subscribe to any of the five major schools of Islamic Fiqh? And if he does then why do you go to his mosque every week to listen to someone who you claim to totally disagree with?
    That is not leadership or representation of Islam or me.
    I am my only representation. I should be judged as a person rather than as one of many followers of a religion.
    My Imam leads my prayers and if I have a problem, I will discuss it with him and he will advise me on what the best course of action is and ofc, I go to him if I have questions regarding the Qu'ran, Why shouldn't I go to him even if he is with a sect?


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    Re: Orchard Park businessman charged in beheading of wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm surprised you don't now hate me considering I follow and hold sacred the same book you despise.

    Don't worry, I'll wait for the day you log on and declare we all should die ... no wait, you've done that already haven't you?

    Don't bother pretending your hatred of Islam doesn't extend to its followers. I should be no exception to that hate no matter how "nice" I am
    You are absolutely right, can't seperate Islam form the muslim. My attempt to reach out has been rejected, you have convinced me that my hatred for Islam is justified as is my hatred for the muslim.
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