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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hit the play button.


    And tell me. can you read 1100 pages in less than what 12 hours?
    Dude, the bill started weeks ago. To think that this is all of a sudden a drastically new bill is wrong. It was modified, yes, but not so much as to think that they don't know what is in it.

    "Hey Bob, here's the new bill. Pages 250-278 were changed to make compromises for the senate version. Take a look at those, the rest wasn't touched." This could very well be (and I would think MOST likely) the way of it, but people immediately jump to the conclusion that Democrats are up to no good.

    As soon as the spending starts to happen at home we see people throw a fit. Spend the money on foreign governments, military spending, and wars and people seem to feel better about spending borrowed money. Go figure.
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Dude, the bill started weeks ago. To think that this is all of a sudden a drastically new bill is wrong. It was modified, yes, but not so much as to think that they don't know what is in it.

    "Hey Bob, here's the new bill. Pages 250-278 were changed to make compromises for the senate version. Take a look at those, the rest wasn't touched." This could very well be (and I would think MOST likely) the way of it, but people immediately jump to the conclusion that Democrats are up to no good.

    As soon as the spending starts to happen at home we see people throw a fit. Spend the money on foreign governments, military spending, and wars and people seem to feel better about spending borrowed money. Go figure.
    people sneak their pet projects into bills all the time. This is a new bill and needs to be treated as such

    mental note to never trust Indy to of read the fine print of legal contracts.

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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    people sneak their pet projects into bills all the time. This is a new bill and needs to be treated as such
    So in general if you read an 1100 page bill, and small parts of it is changed, and which parts changed is mentioned in a side document(normal routine), then you go ahead and re-read the whole 1100 pages, instead of reading the parts that has changed or the chapters those parts belong to?
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    As soon as the spending starts to happen at home we see people throw a fit. Spend the money on foreign governments, military spending, and wars and people seem to feel better about spending borrowed money. Go figure.
    I agree with you that some people are wrong for showing outrage over this spending yet didn't carewhen Bush was doing it. Hell dumbass Republicans were trying to tell us that the economy was doing just fine until they couldn't lie any longer because everyone saw it.

    But all spending should be carefully looked at whether it is going for foreign or domestic.

    This bill with its extra addons was passed too quickly.

    For instance, what are the exact ramifications of taking an extra week to look at this bill? Obama is acting like if it took an extra day the fall of the U.S. would happen.

    I would rather spending be going on for the U.S. rather than Iraq or Afghanistan, but given that the majority voted to boot out the Bush style wreckless spending, it doesn't make wreckless spending ok if it is done at home anymore than if it was done for foreign interests.

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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Dude, the bill started weeks ago. To think that this is all of a sudden a drastically new bill is wrong. It was modified, yes, but not so much as to think that they don't know what is in it.

    "Hey Bob, here's the new bill. Pages 250-278 were changed to make compromises for the senate version. Take a look at those, the rest wasn't touched." This could very well be (and I would think MOST likely) the way of it, but people immediately jump to the conclusion that Democrats are up to no good.

    As soon as the spending starts to happen at home we see people throw a fit. Spend the money on foreign governments, military spending, and wars and people seem to feel better about spending borrowed money. Go figure.


    Hey man, Obama said we could read the bill for 5 days before he signs it. Do you have a link?
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I agree with you that some people are wrong for showing outrage over this spending yet didn't carewhen Bush was doing it. Hell dumbass Republicans were trying to tell us that the economy was doing just fine until they couldn't lie any longer because everyone saw it.

    But all spending should be carefully looked at whether it is going for foreign or domestic.

    This bill with its extra addons was passed too quickly.

    For instance, what are the exact ramifications of taking an extra week to look at this bill? Obama is acting like if it took an extra day the fall of the U.S. would happen.

    I would rather spending be going on for the U.S. rather than Iraq or Afghanistan, but given that the majority voted to boot out the Bush style wreckless spending, it doesn't make wreckless spending ok if it is done at home anymore than if it was done for foreign interests.
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm convinced our government is schizophrenic.
    Can't say that I disagree here.
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So in general if you read an 1100 page bill, and small parts of it is changed, and which parts changed is mentioned in a side document(normal routine), then you go ahead and re-read the whole 1100 pages, instead of reading the parts that has changed or the chapters those parts belong to?
    any notes mentioned about what changed are not legally binding. they could omit leaving notes about what changed but the changes would still become law.

    The normal routine is to sneak things into bills that have nothing to do with the stated purpose for the bill.

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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    At least you are not a hypocrite, and I thank you for that. I remember you being against the Bush transfer of wealth too. Republicans voted for that. I think, in their minds, the difference between the 2 so-called stimulus packages, is that one was pushed by a president with a D after his name, and that is enough for them to oppose it.

    To be fair, many of the Republicans of the last Congress were against that bailout. Want to find out how to separate Conservatives from the RINO's? See which ones supported Bush's plan. Those are the RINO's. Those who were against Bush's plan and also against Obama's plan are the real Conservatives.

    Both plans, Bush's and Obama's, are merely Socialist transfers of money from some citizens to other citizens. That's all they are.
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    Re: House OKs $787B stimulus bill with GOP opposition

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    people sneak their pet projects into bills all the time. This is a new bill and needs to be treated as such

    mental note to never trust Indy to of read the fine print of legal contracts.
    Anytime you put your signature on a legally binding document, you should read it line by line, word for word. Anyone who doesn't, is an idiot, regardless of party affiliation.
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