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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Supposedly the judges never decided to give a kid a longer sentence in order to increase the amount of money they got, but only funneled the kids to these particular facilities after they were sentenced. I don't know how much I believe that, but I guess it's plausible. One of the judges had actually been criticized for a long time for being too light on juveniles.

    Apparently the judges are each facing about 7 years.
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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I have no problem with scumbags getting locked up. However if a individual gets sentences it should be because they deserved it not because some rat in a black robe is getting money for it. I remember a similar story where a sheriff got to pocket any left over money from the food budget,so the sheriff went extremely dirt cheap on the food, I have no problem with inmates eating crappy food to save the tax payers some money as long as the sheriff is not being motivated by money to do so.
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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    That's putting it mildly.

    I have no respect for someone who shows remorse ONLY when caught.
    I think most scumbags do that when they are facing sentencing. Like that one scumbag who raped and murdered that little girl in Florida, he offered a bull **** I'm only sorry because I was caught and I want you to take pity on me" apology. I think it is a result of making children appologize for things they are not sorry for and it gives them the impression that a apology makes everything better and this carries into adulthood. This results in adults who offer bogus apologies to exploit people's sympathies because it give the false impression that one feels remorse for their actions.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Really? Is corporations that build prisons lobbying for mandatory minimum sentences and three strikes laws really any different from this?
    Have any links proving that they have lobbied for MM and three strike laws?
    Regardless.
    You stated
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    , "thats how the whole system works", which is categorically untrue.

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    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    I asked you to provide links that prove that they have actually lobbied for MM and three strike laws.
    None of the above links you provided do that.
    Additionally, allegations of such are only found it the first and last link provided, but no proof as requested.

    There is no doubt on my part that they do have lobbyist and that they do lobby on behalf of their interests, such as lobbying the law makers to contract their services.

    Please provide the requested proof that they have actually lobbied for MM and three strike laws, not that they merely came out in support of such legislation.


    So, care to address your original comment;
    "thats how the whole system works", with something substantial?

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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    This story makes me sick. Read in the IHT about it today and frankly the 2 judges should be locked up for a very long time and the 2 companies in question be desolved.

    These judges can claim all they want but some of the cases speak for themselves.

    A girl, making a mock Myspace page to take the piss on her school assistant principle, and explicit writing "THIS IS A JOKE" on the page, was given 3 months in jail.. I mean wtf.

    2 judges plead guilty in kickbacks for jailing teens - International Herald Tribune
    At worst, Hillary Transue thought she might get a stern lecture when she appeared before a judge for building a spoof MySpace page mocking the assistant principal at her high school in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.

    She was a stellar student who had never been in trouble, and the page stated clearly at the bottom that it was just a joke.

    Instead, the judge sentenced her to three months at a juvenile detention center on a charge of harassment.
    I mean come on!
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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This story makes me sick. Read in the IHT about it today and frankly the 2 judges should be locked up for a very long time and the 2 companies in question be desolved.

    These judges can claim all they want but some of the cases speak for themselves.

    A girl, making a mock Myspace page to take the piss on her school assistant principle, and explicit writing "THIS IS A JOKE" on the page, was given 3 months in jail.. I mean wtf.

    2 judges plead guilty in kickbacks for jailing teens - International Herald Tribune


    I mean come on!
    Just as a point of clarification, there's no such thing as a juvenile "jail." There are two types of placements, open and restricted. Restricted is only for recidivists with violent tendencies, so this was almost certainly an open placement. It means that it was basically a group home setting where the kids still went to school, etc.

    Not by way of excuse, but rather as a point of clarification. I'd also wager that there's more to the story than that, as the parents/legal aid would have obviously appealed the case otherwise and would have won.
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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Just as a point of clarification, there's no such thing as a juvenile "jail." There are two types of placements, open and restricted. Restricted is only for recidivists with violent tendencies, so this was almost certainly an open placement. It means that it was basically a group home setting where the kids still went to school, etc.

    Not by way of excuse, but rather as a point of clarification. I'd also wager that there's more to the story than that, as the parents/legal aid would have obviously appealed the case otherwise and would have won.
    Probably is more to the story, but based on the available information.. it is still a wtf moment. Getting detained for making a spoof website.. every heard of free speech!?
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    Re: US judges admit taking kickbacks

    The basis for any civilized state is the justice system.
    When this is seen to be corrupt either in favor of the Government of the day or the Judges or Jurors, then any confidence in the system collapses.
    We know for a fact that in many countries the Legal system is corrupt, the fact that a couple of US Judges are now found to also be corrupt is to me and I suspect to a lot of people, no great surprise.
    How do you fix the problem when it is so systemic?

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