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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree.

    Here are two examples of what I would consider extreme partisanship. It will be in the context of American politics:

    1) Everything Bush did sucked because Bush did it or because he is a conservative(ignoring the situation, itself).

    2) Everything Obama does sucks because Obama does it or because he is a liberal (ignoring the situation, itself).

    These are two easy examples. Some examples that amplify this that we have seen on this board were the liberals' foolish attacks against Bush for continuing to read to children when 9/11 happened because he was Bush and a conservative (he waited 7 minutes and didn't want to alarm anyone), and the conservatives' foolish attacks against Obama for reading to children during the economic crisis, just because he was Obama, and a liberal...and probably as partisan revenge for Bush being attacked. Both situations are silly partisan attacks and do not look at the situations objectively. Was what Bush or Obama did really problematic? Hyperpartisans don't care. They condemn or adhere based on their affiliation, not on logic. That is there right, but I will call it as I see it.
    I see what you are saying but those arguments still look silly to me without having to include partisanship.

    In Britain and Australia most mainstream politicians aren't like that although they opposition will oppose almost everything the gov't does as a matter of routine and usually come out and attack it.
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See CC this is just a silly argument. The throwing around of terms like socialist and Marxist with little thought of their actual meanings, unless done in a humourous or witty way, is silly anyway without having to bring such ideas as partisanship into it.
    Oh boy.

    Marxist: Economic philosophy where the state is the big Kahuna.

    Stalinist: Not being able to speak freely for fear of repercussions. Censoring opponents.

    Socialist: Somebody believing Marxist doctrine, and or individuals who believe government should be the decider. Graduated income tax, government control over your property, government intrusion into the market, Hillarycare... there's a few globs of socialism.

    Like a President telling businesses what their staff can earn, bonuses they can give, where they should or should not hold meetings, whether they should fly or drive. Telling legislators who they should and should not listen to.
    That only in the first few weeks. can you differentiate between what was Stalinist and what was Marxist?

    "Spread the wealth around"... socialist.

    I think people just don't like being called Libs, socialists, Marxists or Stalinists... even though their behavior is consistent with said behavior.

    I say... tough darts.
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See CC this is just a silly argument. The throwing around of terms like socialist and Marxist with little thought of their actual meanings, unless done in a humourous or witty way, is silly anyway without having to bring such ideas as partisanship into it.
    This is what I am getting at. It's good to see that you get it...figured you would. You're a conservative, but you understand conservatism and understand liberalism. You are not extreme in the former, nor do you overgeneralize the latter.

    In all of our discussions, today, you have earned my respect.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    More straw manning. Please show where I said we should eliminate conservatives. I know that's the argument you want to have, but since it's not my position, you're just arguing with yourself. And the more you do it, whether you win, or you win, you lose.
    Very, very cute slithering.
    extreme partisan conservatives... need to be wiped off the face of the earth.
    You stated I was of the type that should be killed.

    I'm a conservative.
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh boy.

    Marxist: Economic philosophy where the state is the big Kahuna.
    Actually Marxism is a political and social philosophy as well as economic based on a "critical analysis" of capitalism relying on dialetical materialism. Marxism is a very complex philosophy and cannot be summed up as you put it, aside from the fact not all Marxists have believed in a centralised state as the answer, and certainly can't be applied to Obama.

    Stalinist: Not being able to speak freely for fear of repercussions. Censoring opponents.
    No that would be the regimes of Stalinist Russia and similar places.

    Socialist: Somebody believing Marxist doctrine, and or individuals who believe government should be the decider. Graduated income tax, government control over your property, government intrusion into the market, Hillarycare... there's a few globs of socialism.
    No socialism is about placing the means of production in the hands of the public or state representing the public. There are low or no state versions of socialism and communism.

    Man I hate it when people throw around temrs like this when they aren't needed. Libs do it as well with fascist, racist, bigot etc
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I see what you are saying but those arguments still look silly to me without having to include partisanship.
    That's the thing. They are silly. And the addition of partisanship, which seems to always occur in American politics these days, makes them sillier and more irrelevant.

    In Britain and Australia most mainstream politicians aren't like that although they opposition will oppose almost everything the gov't does as a matter of routine and usually come out and attack it.
    I don't know much about the politics in Britain or Australia, though I was reading a bit about Britain last night after one of our discussions. Seems to be a bit different than how we conduct ourselves, here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is what I am getting at. It's good to see that you get it...figured you would. You're a conservative, but you understand conservatism and understand liberalism. You are not extreme in the former, nor do you overgeneralize the latter.

    In all of our discussions, today, you have earned my respect.
    This is typical of the lib.
    They praise the conservative for compromising his values.

    I'd rather not be praised by the liberal.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is what I am getting at. It's good to see that you get it...figured you would. You're a conservative, but you understand conservatism and understand liberalism. You are not extreme in the former, nor do you overgeneralize the latter.

    In all of our discussions, today, you have earned my respect.
    Thank you, I feel the same towards you.

    I'm more Conservative than a Conservative.
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Very, very cute slithering.
    Not in the least. Pointing out how your position is completely irrelevant since I never made it.


    You stated I was of the type that should be killed.

    I'm a conservative.
    No, I stated that extreme conservatives should be eliminated, similar to what Southern Man said about liberals earlier in the thread. I'm assuming his comment was tongue in cheek, as was mine.

    And you are an extreme conservative by the way you post. I have no problem with mainstream conservatives. Extreme conservatives and liberals are the biggest problem in this country today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Gregg withdraws as commerce secretary nominee

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    Actually Marxism is a political and social philosophy as well as economic based on a "critical analysis" of capitalism relying on dialetical materialism. Marxism is a very complex philosophy and cannot be summed up as you put it, aside from the fact not all Marxists have believed in a centralised state as the answer, and certainly can't be applied to Obama.
    It's not that complex. Haul out the Commi Manifesto.

    The collective before the individual.
    "It Takes a Village"
    No that would be the regimes of Stalinist Russia and similar places.
    Stalinism is a mode of behavior when dealing with opponents. It desires to achieve a result of compliance through fear, through control.

    No socialism is about placing the means of production in the hands of the public or state representing the public. There are low or no state versions of socialism and communism.
    Socialism is the government intrusion into the free market.

    Man I hate it when people throw around temrs like this when they aren't needed. Libs do it as well with fascist, racist, bigot etc
    They're needed now more than ever. Obama, the socialist has moved to increase the role and power of government into our lives in ways unprecedented.

    His recent foray is a trillion USD disguised as "stimulus".

    You don't like labels.
    I do.
    I'm a proud, unapologetic conservative.
    Last edited by zimmer; 02-16-09 at 05:22 AM.
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