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Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

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Iran leader signals readiness for U.S. talks
DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE PRESS SERVICES
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009

URL: NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas' News Source


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is ready for dialogue with the United States, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, directly addressing the U.S. administration in his most measured remarks to America since President Barack Obama took office.

"The new U.S. government has announced that it wants to create change and follow the path of talks. It's very clear that true changes should be fundamental and not tactical," Ahmadinejad said during a rally in Tehran to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah of Iran.

"These talks should be held in a fair atmosphere in which there is mutual respect," he added, laying out a precondition for any discussions.

Ahmadinejad wrote several unanswered letters to Bush and congratulated Obama on his election victory. Still many Iranian officials are suspicious of renewed relations between the nations.

"If pro-American tendencies come to power in Iran, we have to say goodbye to everything. After all, anti-Americanism is among the main features of our Islamic state," said Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of the Guardian Council, an assembly of 12 appointed clerics and jurists who have the power to vet laws and election candidates, in remarks 10 days ago.
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Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".

That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.

There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control) :roll:
 
quatrotritikali said:
Iran leader signals readiness for U.S. talks
DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE PRESS SERVICES
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009

URL: NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas' News Source


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is ready for dialogue with the United States, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, directly addressing the U.S. administration in his most measured remarks to America since President Barack Obama took office.

"The new U.S. government has announced that it wants to create change and follow the path of talks. It's very clear that true changes should be fundamental and not tactical," Ahmadinejad said during a rally in Tehran to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah of Iran.

"These talks should be held in a fair atmosphere in which there is mutual respect," he added, laying out a precondition for any discussions.

Ahmadinejad wrote several unanswered letters to Bush and congratulated Obama on his election victory. Still many Iranian officials are suspicious of renewed relations between the nations.

"If pro-American tendencies come to power in Iran, we have to say goodbye to everything. After all, anti-Americanism is among the main features of our Islamic state," said Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of the Guardian Council, an assembly of 12 appointed clerics and jurists who have the power to vet laws and election candidates, in remarks 10 days ago.
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Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".

That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.

There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control) :roll:
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All we can do is try a different approach and if that doesn't work then... I guess we hold our ground until they get new leaders that may be more interested in amicable relations.
 
Its possible there arent plenty of westernised open minded people in Iran its the other half of the contry thats the problem need to learn to talk and work with the political dissidents.
 
quatrotritikali said:
Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".
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Of course it is.

The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist.

The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran.

The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification.

The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US.

That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.
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Since when are we talking about Israel?

I suppose it would be impossible for a normalization with Iran if we were bombing the Tehran Strip.

There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control) :roll:
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Did you not read your story?

The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect.

It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them.

It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around.
 
If the US begins to treat Iran as the ancient and respected culture it is, then we have the opportunity to forge a strong ally and trade partner.
 
Joby said:
Of course it is.

The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist.

The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran.

The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification.

The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US.

Since when are we talking about Israel?

I suppose it would be impossible for a normalization with Iran if we were bombing the Tehran Strip.

Did you not read your story?

The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect.

It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them.

It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around.
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"The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist. "

FALSE

"The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran."

SOURCE?

"The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification."

FALSE

"The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US."

FALSE; the president labeled Iran as part of an axis of evil including North Korea and Syria. The PRESIDENTS statements were correct unless you want to provide something that disputes that Iran, Syria and North Korea have de-stabilizing policies that encourage terrorism.

"Since when are we talking about Israel?"

The notion that Israel is not a key issue in the Middle East Peace debate is nonsensical; since when are we NOT talking about Israel. Here's another clue for you, Iran's President has on numerous occasions spoken about Israel's destruction; more evidence of why Iran is part of the axis of evil.

"The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect."

FALSE; the President of Iran described mutual respect as America apologizing for past oppressions and completely pulling out troops in the Middle East. Does this include Iran apologizing for the despicable taking of American soil/Embassy and holding our people hostage for over 430 days?

"It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them."

They weren't answered because they were incoherent lunatic rants; did you bother to even read them?

"It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around. "

FALSE and ABSURD; it's Iran's purposeful efforts to develop nuclear weapons contrary to their agreements and UN resolutions against such actions. That combined with their lunatic rhetoric and assertions prevents any meaningful dialogue; the UN and European Union had taken over the negotiations and have gotten NOWHERE with these morons.

Your arguments can only be made in a vacuum of reality and the facts. :roll:
 
Slippery Slope said:
All we can do is try a different approach and if that doesn't work then... I guess we hold our ground until they get new leaders that may be more interested in amicable relations.
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What different approach do you think there is? Bush blessed the multilateral approach spear-headed by Britain, France, and Germany. The Bush administration back-doored relations with Iran for several years.

Groping for partners, telegraphing a desperate need to talk, talking of writing letters...everything that Obama is saying he'd like to do has been tried before. He arrogantly refuses to learn the lessons of history and, ironically, that will undermine any chance of success.
 
WillRockwell said:
If the US begins to treat Iran as the ancient and respected culture it is, then we have the opportunity to forge a strong ally and trade partner.
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This requires even more fascinating denial. I'll tell you Liberals what the US should be telling the lunatic President of Iran; we will apologize for our actions during the coup in 1953 as soon as you apologize for the despicable act of war in 1979 when you illegally took over our embassy and illegally took our people hostage.

We will normalize relations when you stop your despicable rhetoric about the destruction of the State of Israel and cease your attempts to develop nuclear weapons which will further de-stabilize the region and possible start a nuclear confrontation.

Here's a brief but more factual history of the coup that removed the communist leaning Mossadeq. It was more about Britain's loss of it's oil fields through the attempted nationalization of their oil assets than it was an American led coup.

History of Iran: A short account of 1953 Coup
 
JMak said:
What different approach do you think there is?
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Direct talks.

Bush blessed the multilateral approach spear-headed by Britain, France, and Germany.
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Blessed? :rofl FALSE.

The Bush administration back-doored relations with Iran for several years.
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Source?

Groping for partners, telegraphing a desperate need to talk,
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Source?

talking of writing letters...everything that Obama is saying he'd like to do has been tried before.
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False

He arrogantly refuses to learn the lessons of history and, ironically, that will undermine any chance of success.
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False.
 
Truth Detector said:
"The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist. "

FALSE
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Only to the revisionists.

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état saw the overthrow of the democratically-elected government of the Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq from power by British and American intelligence operatives working together with Iranian agents and elements of the Iranian army. [1] Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), organized the covert operation - codenamed Operation Ajax - [2] by aiding retired Iranian General Fazlollah Zahedi and Imperial Guard Colonel Nematollah Nassiri, and bribing Iranian officials, news media and businessmen with British and American funds.[3]

The coup has been called "a critical event in post-war world history." It reinstalled Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as an absolute ruler [4], replacing an elected government with a pro-Western dictatorship, and is widely believed to have significantly contributed to the 1979 Iranian Revolution replacing the Shah with an anti-Western Islamic Republic.[5]
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1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Madeleine Albright apologized for this. Get with the program.


"The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran."

SOURCE?
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t r u t h o u t | US Allocates $75 Million to Inspire Regime Change in Iran

If you still want to deny truth and need more sources, let me know.

By the way, do you have any sources to show Iran is trying to overthrow the system we choose to have?

"The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification."

FALSE
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Maybe to someone who fails to remember why we invaded.

By the way, how many nations has the Iranian military invaded?

"The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US."

FALSE; the president labeled Iran as part of an axis of evil including North Korea and Syria. The PRESIDENTS statements were correct unless you want to provide something that disputes that Iran, Syria and North Korea have de-stabilizing policies that encourage terrorism.
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Compared with the terrorism the US exports, such as Operation Ajax mentioned above, this is nothing that can stop talks from going forward. Also, Syria was not in the axis of evil, if you recall, and diplomatic efforts there have progressed despite the Israeli's taking Palestinian blood for election results.

By the way, North Korea didn't export terrorism. They did the smart thing and made WMD. So now we give them concessions.

Saddam was an idiot and actually thought that if he stopped the program, we might not invade.

He took the US at its word. What a dumbass.

"Since when are we talking about Israel?"

The notion that Israel is not a key issue in the Middle East Peace debate is nonsensical; since when are we NOT talking about Israel. Here's another clue for you, Iran's President has on numerous occasions spoken about Israel's destruction; more evidence of why Iran is part of the axis of evil.
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How many taxes do Israelis pay to the US?

I realize many Americans think we have to treat Israel like our children, but I disagree. They have nukes, they can take care of themselves.

"The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect."

FALSE; the President of Iran described mutual respect as America apologizing for past oppressions and completely pulling out troops in the Middle East. Does this include Iran apologizing for the despicable taking of American soil/Embassy and holding our people hostage for over 430 days?
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Hopefully, yes.

"It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them."

They weren't answered because they were incoherent lunatic rants; did you bother to even read them?
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If he threatened to invade my nation I'd insult him as well.

"It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around. "

FALSE and ABSURD; it's Iran's purposeful efforts to develop nuclear weapons contrary to their agreements and UN resolutions against such actions. That combined with their lunatic rhetoric and assertions prevents any meaningful dialogue; the UN and European Union had taken over the negotiations and have gotten NOWHERE with these morons.
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Iran has seen how the world works.

Iraq: No WMD program. Massive Invasion, hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees.

NK: Succesfull WMD program. Newfound respect and millions of tons of foreign aid.

Your arguments can only be made in a vacuum of reality and the facts. :roll:
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Ah, yes.

The world where the US does not invade countries around the world.

The world where Iran is at war with several nations surrounding the US.

The world where America wants peace.

What a joke. The last 6 years show what a hypocritical, self-indulging, gluttonous and downright stupid nation we can be at times.
 
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Slippery Slope said:
Direct talks.
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There have been direct talks. In fact, the Bush administration alone conducted more than two dozen meetings with Iranian officials. For example, as late as 2008 Bush was sending administration officials. From 2006...

Additionally, the Bush administration offered up direct talks to Iran in 2007 if Iran suspended enriching uranium.

FACT: The Bush administration pursued and conducted direct talks with Iran.

Blessed? :rofl FALSE.
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False? So the Bush administration did not approve of the EU-3 pursuing talks with Iran? Please see that last link above and you'll read:
The diplomats from Britain, the United States, France, Russia, China and Germany said they would give Javier Solana, the EU foreign policy chief, approval to meet Ali Larijani, Iran's nuclear negotiator, probably next week.
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Source?
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See sources above when US diplomats met with Iranian diplomats whether in Geneva, Vienna, or elsewhere.

Source?
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For what? Obama is seeking out partners to engage Iran, he has has the State Department drafting letters to Iran. See here.

Seriously, if you want to discuss this issue you kinda have an obligation to first be informed before spewing unsubstantiated assertions and challenging the comments posted by others.

False
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Given that you're clearly ignorant on this issue, your naked assertions are hardly persuasive.

As far back as Carter, the US has been sending letters to Iran. Carter was particularly embarrassed after his guys, Ramsey Clarke and William Miller, were refused entry to Iran when they attempted to deliver correspondence from Carter.

False.
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Quite the contrary...reaching out for partners to engage Iran, sending diplomats, writing letters...it's all been tried before and with disastrous results whether they be more hostages, American businessmen being gunned down (thank you G.H.W. Bush), or Iran's continued enrichment programs.
 
Southern Man said:
It would be nice to see Hillary and Little Adolph holding hands gazing into each others fascist eyes...
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Kinda like Maddie Albright dancing cheerily with 'lil Kim Jong Il, eh?

Quite disgusting the legnths liberals go to appease these dictators...issuing forth meaningless apologies, promising unconditional talks, yada, yada, yada...
 
JMak said:
Kinda like Maddie Albright dancing cheerily with 'lil Kim Jong Il, eh?

Quite disgusting the legnths liberals go to appease these dictators...issuing forth meaningless apologies, promising unconditional talks, yada, yada, yada...
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:lol: Maybe Hillary will find out that she's part Arab....
 
Slippery Slope said:
Why would Hillary want to hold hands and gaze into Bush's eyes? :confused:
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Aaaaaand, here we have it.

Yet another useful idiot totally minimizing the horror of the Holacaust and evil of Nazi Germany...and for what? To criticize Bush?

Why is it that liberals take the most evil events and dilute them so they can condemn anyone who disagrees with them?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Will Iran and the US ever decide to normalize relations? Yes but you can bet your ass it wont be anytime soon.
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Oh I don't know. Ahmadinejad could lose the next election to Khatami in June and then the whole game changes.

Relations between the United States and Iran improved marginally during Khatami's eight years in office, and he encouraged athletic and cultural exchanges. But it deteriorated after the Sept. 11 attacks when former President George W. Bush declared Iran belonged to an "axis of evil." Ahmadinejad widened that gap after he was elected in 2005.
Former reformist Iranian president Khatami will challenge Ahmadinejad in vote this year - Los Angeles Times
 
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Truth Detector said:
This requires even more fascinating denial. I'll tell you Liberals what the US should be telling the lunatic President of Iran; we will apologize for our actions during the coup in 1953 as soon as you apologize for the despicable act of war in 1979 when you illegally took over our embassy and illegally took our people hostage.

We will normalize relations when you stop your despicable rhetoric about the destruction of the State of Israel and cease your attempts to develop nuclear weapons which will further de-stabilize the region and possible start a nuclear confrontation.

Here's a brief but more factual history of the coup that removed the communist leaning Mossadeq. It was more about Britain's loss of it's oil fields through the attempted nationalization of their oil assets than it was an American led coup.

History of Iran: A short account of 1953 Coup
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Fortunately for the world, jingoistic pinheads who subscribe to this belicose crap are no longer in control. Why they thought this attitude was the best approach for America to establish itself as a world leader, I have no idea. When peace comes to the Mideast, when Israel establishes a truce with the Moslem world, when Mideast oil is cheap and accesible, it will be because America took the lead in diplomacy, found common ground between enemies, and treated all parties with respect.
 
JMak said:
Aaaaaand, here we have it.

Yet another useful idiot totally minimizing the horror of the Holacaust and evil of Nazi Germany...and for what? To criticize Bush?

Why is it that liberals take the most evil events and dilute them so they can condemn anyone who disagrees with them?
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In case you hadn't noticed, invading a sovereign nation and killing its civilians along the way is evil, no matter who the country's leader is. If liberals refer to history's evil acts, it's because the right chooses to ignore them, while repeating them.
 
Joby said:
Of course it is.

The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist.

The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran.

The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification.

The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US.



Since when are we talking about Israel?

I suppose it would be impossible for a normalization with Iran if we were bombing the Tehran Strip.



Did you not read your story?

The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect.

It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them.

It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around.
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Your comments are ridiculous. Of course I read the story, hell I posted it, didn't I? :roll: And yes, the Iranian President mentioned "mutual respect", while in the next breath he basically tells the world that Iran could never "normalize" relations with the United States, as anti-Americanism has been a pillar of the Iranian state (since 1979). I take that to mean that so long as the Supreme Council rules Iran, no substantial positive progress will be made.

I don't think it matters much to Iran who the U.S. invaded. Hell, Iran and Iraq had been at odds with one another for years and years. As for Afghanistan, not even Iran had much to say about the U.S./Allied invasion of that country.

Anti-Iranianism? Is that even a word? The U.S. is not anti-Iran...just against the current Islamic govt. There is a big difference. The U.S. holds no ill will against the Iranian people.
 
JMak said:
Aaaaaand, here we have it.

Yet another useful idiot totally minimizing the horror of the Holacaust and evil of Nazi Germany...and for what? To criticize Bush?

Why is it that liberals take the most evil events and dilute them so they can condemn anyone who disagrees with them?
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So let me get this straight, it's OK to bash the **** out of Hillary but not Dubya. Check.

Talk about useful idiots...
 
Southern Man said:
So Bush is Hitler to you? :lol:
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And Hillary is who Mussolini, or just a generic fascist? But since you ask, no. Bush is no Hitler, I think Cheney might be... :rofl Both Bush and Cheney are fascists so feel free to decide for yourself.
 
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