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    Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Iran leader signals readiness for U.S. talks
    DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE PRESS SERVICES
    Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009

    URL: NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas' News Source


    TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is ready for dialogue with the United States, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, directly addressing the U.S. administration in his most measured remarks to America since President Barack Obama took office.

    "The new U.S. government has announced that it wants to create change and follow the path of talks. It's very clear that true changes should be fundamental and not tactical," Ahmadinejad said during a rally in Tehran to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah of Iran.

    "These talks should be held in a fair atmosphere in which there is mutual respect," he added, laying out a precondition for any discussions.

    Ahmadinejad wrote several unanswered letters to Bush and congratulated Obama on his election victory. Still many Iranian officials are suspicious of renewed relations between the nations.

    "If pro-American tendencies come to power in Iran, we have to say goodbye to everything. After all, anti-Americanism is among the main features of our Islamic state," said Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of the Guardian Council, an assembly of 12 appointed clerics and jurists who have the power to vet laws and election candidates, in remarks 10 days ago.
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    Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".

    That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.

    There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control)
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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by quatrotritikali View Post
    Iran leader signals readiness for U.S. talks
    DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE PRESS SERVICES
    Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009

    URL: NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas' News Source


    TEHRAN, Iran - Iran is ready for dialogue with the United States, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, directly addressing the U.S. administration in his most measured remarks to America since President Barack Obama took office.

    "The new U.S. government has announced that it wants to create change and follow the path of talks. It's very clear that true changes should be fundamental and not tactical," Ahmadinejad said during a rally in Tehran to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah of Iran.

    "These talks should be held in a fair atmosphere in which there is mutual respect," he added, laying out a precondition for any discussions.

    Ahmadinejad wrote several unanswered letters to Bush and congratulated Obama on his election victory. Still many Iranian officials are suspicious of renewed relations between the nations.

    "If pro-American tendencies come to power in Iran, we have to say goodbye to everything. After all, anti-Americanism is among the main features of our Islamic state," said Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, head of the Guardian Council, an assembly of 12 appointed clerics and jurists who have the power to vet laws and election candidates, in remarks 10 days ago.
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    Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".

    That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.

    There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control)
    All we can do is try a different approach and if that doesn't work then... I guess we hold our ground until they get new leaders that may be more interested in amicable relations.

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    Its possible there arent plenty of westernised open minded people in Iran its the other half of the contry thats the problem need to learn to talk and work with the political dissidents.
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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by quatrotritikali View Post
    Well, well...the last paragraph of this article says it all. The Iranian government's true intentions are made clear. The current Iranian government and ruling Guardian Council will never normalize relations with the United States...after all, "anti-Americanism is one of the main features of our Islamic state".
    Of course it is.

    The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist.

    The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran.

    The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification.

    The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US.

    That statement is about what one would expect to hear from Hamas. Hamas has made it clear that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Iran's current president Ahmadinejad has said much the same thing in past press releases.
    Since when are we talking about Israel?

    I suppose it would be impossible for a normalization with Iran if we were bombing the Tehran Strip.

    There is just no intentions by Iran to reconcile and normalize relations with the U.S. (not as long as the powerful Guardian Council remains in control)
    Did you not read your story?

    The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect.

    It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them.

    It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around.
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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    If the US begins to treat Iran as the ancient and respected culture it is, then we have the opportunity to forge a strong ally and trade partner.

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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Of course it is.

    The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist.

    The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran.

    The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification.

    The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US.

    Since when are we talking about Israel?

    I suppose it would be impossible for a normalization with Iran if we were bombing the Tehran Strip.

    Did you not read your story?

    The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect.

    It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them.

    It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around.
    "The US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and instilled a fascist. "

    FALSE

    "The US spends (read:wastes) millions of dollars a year on regime change in Iran."

    SOURCE?

    "The US has invaded both of Iran's neighbors, one with no justification."

    FALSE

    "The US has called Iran a member of an axis of evil, obviously showing that anti-Iranianism is one of the main features of the US."

    FALSE; the president labeled Iran as part of an axis of evil including North Korea and Syria. The PRESIDENTS statements were correct unless you want to provide something that disputes that Iran, Syria and North Korea have de-stabilizing policies that encourage terrorism.

    "Since when are we talking about Israel?"

    The notion that Israel is not a key issue in the Middle East Peace debate is nonsensical; since when are we NOT talking about Israel. Here's another clue for you, Iran's President has on numerous occasions spoken about Israel's destruction; more evidence of why Iran is part of the axis of evil.

    "The President of Iran said that talks could begin, so long as they were based on mutual respect."

    FALSE; the President of Iran described mutual respect as America apologizing for past oppressions and completely pulling out troops in the Middle East. Does this include Iran apologizing for the despicable taking of American soil/Embassy and holding our people hostage for over 430 days?

    "It also said the President of Iran sent several letters to our former President who didn't even bother to answer them."

    They weren't answered because they were incoherent lunatic rants; did you bother to even read them?

    "It's the US which has kept normalization from going forward, not the other way around. "

    FALSE and ABSURD; it's Iran's purposeful efforts to develop nuclear weapons contrary to their agreements and UN resolutions against such actions. That combined with their lunatic rhetoric and assertions prevents any meaningful dialogue; the UN and European Union had taken over the negotiations and have gotten NOWHERE with these morons.

    Your arguments can only be made in a vacuum of reality and the facts.

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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    All we can do is try a different approach and if that doesn't work then... I guess we hold our ground until they get new leaders that may be more interested in amicable relations.
    What different approach do you think there is? Bush blessed the multilateral approach spear-headed by Britain, France, and Germany. The Bush administration back-doored relations with Iran for several years.

    Groping for partners, telegraphing a desperate need to talk, talking of writing letters...everything that Obama is saying he'd like to do has been tried before. He arrogantly refuses to learn the lessons of history and, ironically, that will undermine any chance of success.

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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If the US begins to treat Iran as the ancient and respected culture it is, then we have the opportunity to forge a strong ally and trade partner.
    This requires even more fascinating denial. I'll tell you Liberals what the US should be telling the lunatic President of Iran; we will apologize for our actions during the coup in 1953 as soon as you apologize for the despicable act of war in 1979 when you illegally took over our embassy and illegally took our people hostage.

    We will normalize relations when you stop your despicable rhetoric about the destruction of the State of Israel and cease your attempts to develop nuclear weapons which will further de-stabilize the region and possible start a nuclear confrontation.

    Here's a brief but more factual history of the coup that removed the communist leaning Mossadeq. It was more about Britain's loss of it's oil fields through the attempted nationalization of their oil assets than it was an American led coup.

    History of Iran: A short account of 1953 Coup

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    Re: Will Iran ever normalize relations w/U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    What different approach do you think there is?
    Direct talks.

    Bush blessed the multilateral approach spear-headed by Britain, France, and Germany.
    Blessed? FALSE.

    The Bush administration back-doored relations with Iran for several years.
    Source?

    Groping for partners, telegraphing a desperate need to talk,
    Source?

    talking of writing letters...everything that Obama is saying he'd like to do has been tried before.
    False

    He arrogantly refuses to learn the lessons of history and, ironically, that will undermine any chance of success.
    False.

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