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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would consider killing bin Laden a win.
    I would consider a fundamental shift in the perception of America in the Middle East into a better light a win as well. Though that one is kinda a propaganda war and I don't know if we could make headway there. Though that sort of thing would go a long way into reducing the effective propaganda terrorist organizations use for recruitment. Though on our part it would require massive and long term humanitarian efforts.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only way is to absolutely destroy the Taliban to the last man. No one has ever successfully controlled this land. So holding territory is futile, you must destroy the enemy completely, and not only in Afghanistan but Pakistan's northeast as well. Changing hearts is probably necessary too, but probably futile.
    Didn't the Soviets try the same thing? And wasn't it referred to as the Soviets Vietnam?

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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    That would be nice, but he has become less relevant in recent years. The MSM swoons over the videos, but I think most people don't care much.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Didn't the Soviets try the same thing? And wasn't it referred to as the Soviets Vietnam?
    It's impossible to do without total genocide, and that's gonna be tough to do in and of itself. So apparently American just admitted that there is no way to win this "war".
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only way is to absolutely destroy the Taliban to the last man. No one has ever successfully controlled this land. So holding territory is futile, you must destroy the enemy completely, and not only in Afghanistan but Pakistan's northeast as well. Changing hearts is probably necessary too, but probably futile.
    I think your method's ideals are somewhere between Godzilla and Charles Dickens.

    You are not going to "change hearts" when you "absolutely destroy" territory.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Didn't the Soviets try the same thing? And wasn't it referred to as the Soviets Vietnam?
    I'm not sure what their objective was, I'm just saying that holding territory or occupation is not the way to go in this part of the world because the terrain alone makes it impossible plus all the tribal issues. I think we must work to increase our influence with the tribes against the Taliban for the right reasons, and not our own interests.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think your method's ideals are somewhere between Godzilla and Charles Dickens.

    You are not going to "change hearts" when you "absolutely destroy" territory.
    Enjoy your thanks from Dan. I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Enjoy your thanks from Dan. I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.
    If you have to kill every one of them, then you have to bomb them, and guess what bombs do to land and infrastructure? I think that was his point.
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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm not sure what their objective was,
    The Soviets were fighting religious extremist at the request of the Afghanistan government.

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    Re: War against Taliban 'will be lost by autumn' unless strategy changes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Enjoy your thanks from Dan. I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.
    Going to Flush out the Taliban and get them to fight man to man huh?

    The only way to eliminate the entirety is Taliban in Pakistan is the destroy.. you know...

    a good portion of Pakistan itself.
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