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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Right because the poster referred only to that, I was talking generally.
    Okay.

    I don't think we have been too hesitant certainly but I'm not a liberal.
    What exactly would this have to do with anything?

    We have rushed into far too much in recent centuries from where I stand.
    And where would you be standing exactly? This is simply too broad to explain your position on stem cell research.
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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    "About a third of the people die [during such transplants], so it's just too much of a risk," Levy said. To perform a stem cell transplant, doctors intentionally destroy a patient's immune system, leaving the patient vulnerable to infection, and then reintroduce a donor's stem cells (which are from either bone marrow or blood) in an effort to establish a new, healthy immune system.
    Don't we already do that to an extent with Chemo Therapy? It's just as risky yet, it seems to really common among cancer patients.

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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And where would you be standing exactly? This is simply too broad to explain your position on stem cell research.
    Dunno haven't thought about it much. I was just responding to some poster who made a vague statement about us being too hesitant on such things in general. If there is one thing Western civilisation hasn't been in recent centuries, it is hesitant.
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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Dunno haven't thought about it much. I was just responding to some poster who made a vague statement about us being too hesitant on such things in general. If there is one thing Western civilisation hasn't been in recent centuries, it is hesitant.
    Okay, I suppose I can understand what you are saying at this point. I think I disagree when it comes to medical science though.

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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Right because the poster referred only to that, I was talking generally. I don't think we have been too hesitant certainly but I'm not a liberal. We have rushed into far too much in recent centuries from where I stand.
    If I were some kind of being watching humanity from the outside, I would say that the advancements we are seeing are a necessary part of human development, but that our social development hasn't yet caught up with technology and science. We need a lot of time to consider whether or not something is "good" before we accept it on an individual level, and then a societal level, and now, due to the modern era, a global level.

    It has never been the responsibility of science to slow its discoveries or repress them because the world might not be ready, so research will continue. For instance, the atom bomb was an inevitability that could not be delayed. Someone was bound to discover it... but it's a matter of how it's used.

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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If I were some kind of being watching humanity from the outside, I would say that the advancements we are seeing are a necessary part of human development, but that our social development hasn't yet caught up with technology and science. We need a lot of time to consider whether or not something is "good" before we accept it on an individual level, and then a societal level, and now, due to the modern era, a global level.

    It has never been the responsibility of science to slow its discoveries or repress them because the world might not be ready, so research will continue. For instance, the atom bomb was an inevitability that could not be delayed. Someone was bound to discover it... but it's a matter of how it's used.
    How do you feel about implementation vs invention rates?
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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If I were some kind of being watching humanity from the outside, I would say that the advancements we are seeing are a necessary part of human development, but that our social development hasn't yet caught up with technology and science. We need a lot of time to consider whether or not something is "good" before we accept it on an individual level, and then a societal level, and now, due to the modern era, a global level.

    It has never been the responsibility of science to slow its discoveries or repress them because the world might not be ready, so research will continue. For instance, the atom bomb was an inevitability that could not be delayed. Someone was bound to discover it... but it's a matter of how it's used.
    Personally I believe science and technology should serve society. They are not some sort of Gods who march outside of us, that is a dangerous way of looking at it. If they aren't made to serve society then they will likely end up making society serve them or sections of them and rule by technicians and bureaucrats is not my idea of utopia almost the opposite actually.
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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How do you feel about implementation vs invention rates?
    I forget the term, but technology is advancing at an exponential rate, racing towards a singularity point. I think new innovation is happening faster than ever and the social aspect of humanity cannot keep up with it, especially given that there are so many nations in the world where people are still living at a subsistence level.

    I also believe that humanity as a whole must know and understand these innovations in order for it to be a collective advancement. It does us no good if only a handful of countries are benefitting.

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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Personally I believe science and technology should serve society. They are not some sort of Gods who march outside of us, that is a dangerous way of looking at it. If they aren't made to serve society then they will likely end up making society serve them or sections of them and rule by technicians and bureaucrats is not my idea of utopia almost the opposite actually.
    A couple of things...

    Science has never made an effort to separate itself from society. Its goals are to engage in scientifically curious and empirical projects in order to advance the knowledge of human kind. I don't think it has ever bowed to social pressures due to its history with the church and the reformation/counter-reformation eras.

    It would be like asking those in the scientific community to stop researching something because it offends our sensibilities, or provokes our fears. Really, the people you should be lobbying are the politicians who implement the innovations in negative ways. The discovery of atomic power not only gave us the bomb but also nuclear power plants.

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    Re: Man appears free of HIV after stem cell transplant

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A couple of things...

    Science has never made an effort to separate itself from society. Its goals are to engage in scientifically curious and empirical projects in order to advance the knowledge of human kind. I don't think it has ever bowed to social pressures due to its history with the church and the reformation/counter-reformation eras.

    It would be like asking those in the scientific community to stop researching something because it offends our sensibilities, or provokes our fears. Really, the people you should be lobbying are the politicians who implement the innovations in negative ways. The discovery of atomic power not only gave us the bomb but also nuclear power plants.
    You talk of science as if it does things on its own. Only scientists are acting in this way and they should act for society and not be treated as some kind of Gods who can work outside society. Science and technology must be made to serve society not society the interests of their practicioners and certainly they should not serve one section above all as they have for so long.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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