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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree the president can hire and hire Prosecutors. If Obama does the same thing I wonder if the resident Bush bashers will give him a pass?
    I won't care if he fires them. It's his call. That's part of being President. I didn't care when Clinton did.. I take that back, I got in a huff till my father explained it to me and I went "oh.. got it".

    Some others might throw a fit, but it would be a misguided fit.

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's about time. Politics has absolutely no place in the Justice Department.
    Nonsense.

    Politics has EVERYTHING to do with the hirings and firings. And every president has done it and will do it.

    And why did Gonzales have to claim that the firings were done with no coordination with the White House? That’s absurd. Why shouldn’t there be White House involvement? That is nothing to be defensive about. Does anyone imagine that Janet Reno fired all 93 U.S. attorneys in March 1993, giving them all of 10 days to clear out, without White House involvement?

    The Bush administration fired eight. Democrats are charging this was done for reasons of politics, and that politics have no place in the legal system. This is laughable. U.S. attorneys are appointed by the president — and, by tradition, are recommended by home state politicians of the same party, not by a group of judges or a committee of the American Bar Association. Which makes their appointment entirely political.

    Gonzales Must Go by Charles Krauthammer on National Review Online
    What these hearings are about is ALL POLITICS.

    They want to nail Gonzo et al for LYING about the nature of the firings. It's like a tit for tat with Clinton's lying about his affair with Monica. The deed isn't what the prosecution is about. It's the lie afterwards to cover up the
    deed.

    What Gonzo should have said was "that U.S. attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president and the president wanted them replaced?"[IBID]

    PERIOD.

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Sigh. You just don't get it, do you? Yes, they serve at the pleasure of the president and he can fire them for cause or no cause. HOWEVER, he cannot fire them for illegal or improper reasons.
    Link?

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I won't care if he fires them. It's his call. That's part of being President. I didn't care when Clinton did.. I take that back, I got in a huff till my father explained it to me and I went "oh.. got it".

    Some others might throw a fit, but it would be a misguided fit.
    And you learned a valuable lesson about being an adult, right?

    These Democrats are acting like children. Adults would exercise some restraint, but even older Americans like Brokaw, Matthews, and others are pissing themselves about prosecuting Bush on criminal charges.

    It takes being an adult to exercise some personal restraint. These Obamabots have no such persoanl restraint, they're more like the teeny-weenies passing out whenever the Jonas Brothers show up on a magazine cover.

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    You know, I'm on the same page as you...

    I know of no legal standard that must be satisfied before dismissing a US Attorney. Politically-speaking, though, it may be unwise and even inappropriate to can a US Attorney for failing to prosecute crimes you want to see prosecuted or to stop a pending investigation. I guess in some political sense that would be characterized as "improper." But such a characterization is completely irrelevant. The only price to be paid would be a political one.
    Under our system of government, the primary check against prosecutorial abuse is a political one. The prosecutors who exercise this awesome discretion are selected, and can be removed, by a President whom the people have trusted enough to elect. Moreover, when crimes are not investigated and prosecuted fairly, nonselectively, with a reasonable [p729] sense of proportion, the President pays the cost in political damage to his administration. If federal prosecutors "pick people that [they] thin[k] [they] should get, rather than cases that need to be prosecuted," if they amass many more resources against a particular prominent individual, or against a particular class of political protesters, or against members of a particular political party, than the gravity of the alleged offenses or the record of successful prosecutions seems to warrant, the unfairness will come home to roost in the Oval Office. I leave it to the reader to recall the examples of this in recent years. That result, of course, was precisely what the Founders had in mind when they provided that all executive powers would be exercised by a single Chief Executive. As Hamilton put it, "[t]he ingredients which constitute safety in the republican sense are a due dependence on the people, and a due responsibility." Federalist No. 70, p. 424. The President is directly dependent on the people, and, since there is only one President, he is responsible. The people know whom to blame, whereas "one of the weightiest objections to a plurality in the executive . . . is that it tends to conceal faults and destroy responsibility." Id. at 427.
    Says it all.
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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I have a little hypothetical story I'd like to tell.

    Obama fires all of the Bush appointees, and hires his own. Before the first day on the job, Obama/Biden directs them to a meeting. They then proceed to tell them all that their main focus will be to go after Republican as much as possible. Focus on them, and witch-hunt them down.

    And if any Democrat is in trouble in regards to the law, to do aything possible to see that nothing comes of it.

    Is that okay with you, because they serve at the pleasure of the President?
    Completely.

    The way that things like this are supposed to be dealt with is at the polls. If people are furious about this, they should push for Obama to be impeached. If Congress won't do it, they should vote Congress out.

    That's how these things are supposed to be handled.
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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Completely.

    The way that things like this are supposed to be dealt with is at the polls. If people are furious about this, they should push for Obama to be impeached. If Congress won't do it, they should vote Congress out.

    That's how these things are supposed to be handled.
    Now don't tell that to the liberals. Polls are such quaint things when you have judges that can easily and simply resolve all of our political questions, right?

    Until this month it was much easier for liberals to enact their preferred policies via the courts than it was at the ballot box. Now they've convinced themselves that "I won" in November means that your campaign blasting Bush for expanding the national debt was really a campaign to ramp up deficit spending for years to come, that your campaign to close Gitmo, end rendition, and withdraw from Iraq immediately was really a campaign to keep Gitmo open, continue rendition, and stay in Iraq.

    Seriously, I'm not a psychiatrist, but there must be some sort of clinical description for the mental disorder that permits individuals to think like that.

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    And you learned a valuable lesson about being an adult, right?

    These Democrats are acting like children. Adults would exercise some restraint, but even older Americans like Brokaw, Matthews, and others are pissing themselves about prosecuting Bush on criminal charges.

    It takes being an adult to exercise some personal restraint. These Obamabots have no such persoanl restraint, they're more like the teeny-weenies passing out whenever the Jonas Brothers show up on a magazine cover.
    I was like... 16 at the time, but yes.

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I don't know. Is the investigation over?
    I think that if they actually had anything they would have revealed it now. I think everyone is jumping of the He's guilty bandwagon because of their dislike/hatred for the man. People make politically motivate accusations all the time.Obama is a muslim,Bush lied to get us into Iraq, Obama is not a natural born American citizen, Bush stole the elections, Obama's wife said some racist ****, Bush went AWOL and a bunch of other politically motivated accusations.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Key Witnesses to Be Interviewed in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I was like... 16 at the time, but yes.
    I learned the same lesson from my own father. And it's simply, lets the adults handle the problem.

    Our youthful exuberance is just that and mostly ignorant. It's no surprise that far more people tend to become conservative as they grow older then they do become liberal. Liberalism at its heart is simply irrational exuberance.

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