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Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

Seriously? Republicans are whining about not being included in something they want no part of? :confused:
 
aps said:
Me too because if this stimulus package has a positive effect, the Republicans won't be able to claim that they assisted in such positive effect, and the Democrats can hopefully win more seats in Congress.
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If the Porkulus has a positive effect on the economy, than I will congratulate Dems on a successful gamble and be sincere in it! But for me, being a fiscal conservative above all else, this is too big a risk and I say that because the first TARP wasn't enough. I don't think it'll ever be enough, especially if pet projects are strewn throughout the bill that are not necessary for financial recovery.

If you're right, though, I'll let you bake the crow that I promise to eat!! :2wave:
 
Hopefully now the Federal Reserve, the most worthless fiscal organization hatched by the rich elite, can go down in flames and the U.S. can move on to a stable economic future.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Considering that the only way you get a refund is to pay taxes then please explain how someone who doesn't pay taxes gets a tax break? :roll: You must have gotten grannys 45 point hot pink text email...:doh
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I suppose you have never heard of a refundable tax credit?
 
scourge99 said:
Pelosi"s funds for bird sanctuary, hybrid vehicles for gov't cars, smoking cessation activities, indian alcohol rehab program, 75 million tax cut for movie producers.... Shall I go on or can you go find the bill all by your big boy self? That's just the stuff off the top of my head.
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Not to mention:

$44 million for repairs at the Agriculture Department headquarters in Washington.

$200 million to rehabilitate the National Mall.

$360 million for new child care centers at military bases.

$1.8 billion to repair National Park Service facilities.

$276 million to update technology at the State Department.

$500 million for the Transportation Security Administration to install bomb detectors at airports.

$600 million for General Services Administration to replace older vehicles with alternative fuel vehicles.

$2.5 billion to upgrade low-income housing.

$400 million for NASA scientists to conduct climate change research.

$426 million to construct facilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

$800 million to clean up Superfund sites.

$150 million for the Coast Guard to repair or remove bridges deemed a hazard to navigation.

$6.7 billion to renovate and improve energy efficiency at federal buildings.

$400 million to replace the Social Security Administration's 30-year-old National Computer Center.


Only 38% of the infrastructure money will be spent by the end of fiscal year 2010. This is not stimulus. We need stimulus NOW, not in 2011.
 
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ludahai said:
Not to mention:

$44 million for repairs at the Agriculture Department headquarters in Washington.

$200 million to rehabilitate the National Mall.

$360 million for new child care centers at military bases.

$1.8 billion to repair National Park Service facilities.

$276 million to update technology at the State Department.

$500 million for the Transportation Security Administration to install bomb detectors at airports.

$600 million for General Services Administration to replace older vehicles with alternative fuel vehicles.

$2.5 billion to upgrade low-income housing.

$400 million for NASA scientists to conduct climate change research.

$426 million to construct facilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

$800 million to clean up Superfund sites.

$150 million for the Coast Guard to repair or remove bridges deemed a hazard to navigation.

$6.7 billion to renovate and improve energy efficiency at federal buildings.

$400 million to replace the Social Security Administration's 30-year-old National Computer Center.


Only 38% of the infrastructure money will be spent by the end of fiscal year 2010. This is not stimulus. We need stimulus NOW, not in 2011.
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And what stimulus would work here and now? And no, tax cuts do not work here and now, and it is highly unlikely that tax cuts would stimulate anything in the situation the US is in. So what exactly would stimulate here and now?

Face it, everything you listed above requires workers to make and do. That means either people's jobs are saved or they have to hire someone to do it. Aint that what we want? To safe guard jobs and expand on jobs?

As for the Republican's being shut out.. booohoooo, after 10+ years of marginalizing the other side and anyone who disagreed with them, it is about time they get some taste of their own medicine. Not to mention they have no plans other than tax cuts to contribute with.
 
PeteEU said:
And what stimulus would work here and now? And no, tax cuts do not work here and now, and it is highly unlikely that tax cuts would stimulate anything in the situation the US is in. So what exactly would stimulate here and now?

Face it, everything you listed above requires workers to make and do. That means either people's jobs are saved or they have to hire someone to do it. Aint that what we want? To safe guard jobs and expand on jobs?

As for the Republican's being shut out.. booohoooo, after 10+ years of marginalizing the other side and anyone who disagreed with them, it is about time they get some taste of their own medicine. Not to mention they have no plans other than tax cuts to contribute with.
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See that's the trouble with you Pete, you lie about the facts. The Democrats were never shut out of the legilative process, so they're not giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine. The Republicans gave a lot of power to the Dems even on committees. Why do you lie, what purpose could it serve? These programs listed create work, temporarily; creating jobs is is a permanent thing and only private industry can do that, not govt. Your ideas are short sighted and typical of liberal thinking.
 
American said:
See that's the trouble with you Pete, you lie about the facts. The Democrats were never shut out of the legilative process, so they're not giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine. The Republicans gave a lot of power to the Dems even on committees. Why do you lie, what purpose could it serve? These programs listed create work, temporarily; creating jobs is is a permanent thing and only private industry can do that, not govt. Your ideas are short sighted and typical of liberal thinking.
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Me lie about what? Did the Democrats not complain about the same thing during the reign of the Republican majority since the mid 1990s? I seem to remember how Republican's made the Democrats hold hearings in basement or similar locales because they did not agree with the hearing....
 
PeteEU said:
Me lie about what? Did the Democrats not complain about the same thing during the reign of the Republican majority since the mid 1990s? I seem to remember how Republican's made the Democrats hold hearings in basement or similar locales because they did not agree with the hearing....
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Once again, wtf are you talking about? :roll:
 
American said:
See that's the trouble with you Pete, you lie about the facts. The Democrats were never shut out of the legilative process, so they're not giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine. The Republicans gave a lot of power to the Dems even on committees. Why do you lie, what purpose could it serve? These programs listed create work, temporarily; creating jobs is is a permanent thing and only private industry can do that, not govt. Your ideas are short sighted and typical of liberal thinking.
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American, anyone who knows how to operate a Google Machine can quickly discover countless examples of Republican refusal to include Democrats in the legislative process. Here are just a few examples, from a very quick search:
The energy bill, developed during secret meetings by a task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, was written exclusively by Republicans, who shut out Democrats from conference committee talks that have historically been bipartisan.
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The Medicare bill started out as a bipartisan effort, with Kennedy working with Republican colleagues. But House Republican leaders forced dramatic revisions to the bill and rewrote the package in closed-door sessions.
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Last week Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives were given a closed-door briefing by Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser, about the Iraq war, the extension of duty for U.S. troops and the June 30 handover of Iraqi sovereignty. Democrats in Congress were not invited and not allowed to participate.
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So I'm wondering if you're too young to remember the Bush presidency or if you just spin out this crap hoping no one will check on it? Either way you are creating an inappropriately hostile atmosphere by calling a contributor a liar, and lecturing him "that's what your problem is". You do not use facts, seem not to be aware of even recent history, yet try to belittle people who clearly have more knowledge than you.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
why no link? :roll:
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Here, I'll give you some more examples, with links:

We are basically never invited to participate in the formulation of a bill. ... not only are Democrats not allowed to participate in those conferences, a lot of times we can't even find out where they're meeting.
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Congressman Pete Stark Reflects on Life Under a Republican Dictatorship

When the House considered the annual appropriations for government spending for the 2004 fiscal year, not only were the Democrats excluded from the conference committees, but they were also excluded from participating in the debate on the House rules for the spending bills....the Republican faction has now resorted to excluding virtually all Democrats, including the Minority leader of the Senate, Tom Daschle, from even attending conference committee meetings.
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Rogue Republican Dons in Congress

The report is generated strictly by the Republicans on the committee; input from Democratic members was quite limited. The report is generated strictly by the Republicans on the committee; input from Democratic members was quite limited.
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Context of 'August 23, 2006: Republican Intelligence Report on Iran’s Nuclear Program Is Fundamentally False'


Moreover, since 1994, partisanship has strengthened its hold on Congress. Congressional leaders centralized fundraising so that the parties could use campaign money strategically to make certain that members remained loyal to their agenda. Republicans excluded Democrats from participating in conference committees and relied on stringent rules to prevent them and moderate Republicans from challenging the leadership.
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Sobering Realities - Politico.com


If you don't like these examples, I'll provide more. Bottom line, Republicans decided to exclude Democrats from the legislative process for 12 years. Now they demand bipartisanship, but reject it immediately. What they want...all they want...is to be in charge, to continue the destruction of America's economy and reputation in the world.
 
WillRockwell said:
American, anyone who knows how to operate a Google Machine can quickly discover countless examples of Republican refusal to include Democrats in the legislative process. Here are just a few examples, from a very quick search:
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A Google Machine??? I want one :lol:
 
Harshaw said:
That may be. But they apparently were not even informed that the meeting was happening. That's not transparency in government.
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If you were able to find out about it, I'm sure they were able to find out about it as well. :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is moronic.


if they were a part of it they could mitigate the damage.
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By allowing Golden parachutes and no accountability for how the money is spent? That's what they supported previously. ;)
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
By allowing Golden parachutes and no accountability for how the money is spent? That's what they supported previously. ;)
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so Golden Parachutes are not allowed under this "stimulus" package? Republicans wanted that in?


Either you just lied, or you are ignorant my long haired friend. :2razz:
 
WillRockwell said:
Here, I'll give you some more examples, with links:


Congressman Pete Stark Reflects on Life Under a Republican Dictatorship



Rogue Republican Dons in Congress


Context of 'August 23, 2006: Republican Intelligence Report on Iran’s Nuclear Program Is Fundamentally False'




Sobering Realities - Politico.com


If you don't like these examples, I'll provide more. Bottom line, Republicans decided to exclude Democrats from the legislative process for 12 years. Now they demand bipartisanship, but reject it immediately. What they want...all they want...is to be in charge, to continue the destruction of America's economy and reputation in the world.
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:lol:


Anything from any real sites?


Bottom line, Bush and Republicans did reach out several times.


No child left behind for one. Only to be shot down.


Obama promised change, he has shown none
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol:


Anything from any real sites?


Bottom line, Bush and Republicans did reach out several times.


No child left behind for one. Only to be shot down.


Obama promised change, he has shown none
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IF you mean reach out by "take it or leave it" mentality then yes they did. :roll:
 
PeteEU said:
IF you mean reach out by "take it or leave it" mentality then yes they did. :roll:
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Exactly. Obama reached out by baming Republicans for this economy, when he had an integral part in the policies that led to the mortgage crisis.


Pelosi changes house rules that Republicans put in to allow alternative bills to be introduced...


You mean like that?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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Bottom line, Bush and Republicans did reach out several times.


No child left behind for one. Only to be shot down.


Obama promised change, he has shown none
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As long as obama doesn't resort to putting people like Armstrong Williams on the payroll in clandestine ways that is change I can live with.
 
winston53660 said:
Er is he on the White House payroll ala Armstrong Williams style?
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Let me pull an Obama supporter boilerplate response...


who knows he has only been in office for a few weeks!!




Imagine if Bush put Rush in the first row or even invited him to the dance....


media hypocrites.....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
so Golden Parachutes are not allowed under this "stimulus" package? Republicans wanted that in?


Either you just lied, or you are ignorant my long haired friend. :2razz:
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I didn't lie. That's what happened under the bailout they supported before the election. There are tax cuts in this legislation.

It's obvious what has changed. The election is over. Do you really think they would be obstructionists if their ass was on the line in April?

They are gambling that things get worse. I'll give them credit for having more balls than the democrats did with the Patriot act and giving Bush the power to invade Iraq. The dems weren't willing to gamble.
 
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