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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you are admitting you lied? thank you.


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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    At least a tax cut for the [so-called] "rich" is a true tax cut, no welfare like Obama's plan to give taxes back to those who have never paid any. Liberals have trouble admitting the obvious fact: When true middle class and more wealthy taxpayers get a break in lower taxes, they often invest it in business ventures that can produce legitimate jobs and economic growth!

    Perhaps if our country survives Obama and the Democrats' attempt to socialize, then one day Democrats will have to take a back seat as they should have been forced to do in the mid-'90s.
    Considering that the only way you get a refund is to pay taxes then please explain how someone who doesn't pay taxes gets a tax break? You must have gotten grannys 45 point hot pink text email...

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I'll tell you why Repub didn't vote for it... here's why... its full of pork, special interest, and other NON-STIMULUS ****. That's right, BILLIONS of dollars in NON-ESSENTIALS that in no way STIMULATE the economy. Its the Dems setting up for elections by pandering under the disguise of STIMULUS.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ulus-bill.html


    Check your TPS report next time.
    Please quote the first two of these pork projects that you can find in the current bill that don't stimulate the economy. Unless you'd rather admit that you don't have a clue and are just repeating the vitriol from your ditto-master.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

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    Because they know, in their heart of hearts, that they are wrong. So they have to destroy all their enemies because their ideology cannot stand the long term light of debate. Liberalism is not common sense or intellectual. It is emotional, and relies on pulling heart strings to achieve agreement. Look at the way liberals live, they vote liberal but live like conservatives. They don't allow their children to practice free sex under their own roofs or smoke pot while watching TV with Mom and Dad, or moving into ghettos with the poor. Look at our elected officials that deny the ordinary citizens school choice, but send their own children to private schools. They give away public moneys as charity, but give less than conservatives of their own money. In fact I suggest that liberals aren't even about solving problems with real solutions; but about the accumulation of power, using the Welfare state as a means to power with only the appearance of helping the poor. If it weren't so, they wouldn't despise religious people, because the Bible says to give to the poor which conservatives do privately. The liberals who don't realize this are just brainwashed zombies who run around promoting policies with consequences they don't understand.
    Wow, this is the longest response I've ever seen you make. Too bad it was nothing but a hyperbolic tirade lacking anything of substance nor adding anything but more puke to the discussion. At least now we KNOW you can put together more than a couple sentences at a time.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Considering that the only way you get a refund is to pay taxes then please explain how someone who doesn't pay taxes gets a tax break? You must have gotten grannys 45 point hot pink text email...
    Your arrogant condescension aside, if you had READ what is contained in the Obama tax giveaway, you would have read that it contains what is called a REFUNDABLE Tax Credit. What this means for those who wallow in convenient denial, is that even if you have NO tax liability, which is usually a family making less than $42,000 per year, you will get a check from Uncle Sam.

    Therefore, explains the comment from some who call it a tax giveaway.

    But that isn't the real issue; Obama's plan not only is silent about how to pay for all the largess, but his tax rebates don't even apply to those who pay most of the taxes in the nation.

    It is flagrant in its class envy populist message. I am still waiting for a Liberal to explain to me what societies ever taxed, spent and printed (money) their nations into prosperity.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am still waiting for a Liberal to explain to me what societies ever taxed, spent and printed (money) their nations into prosperity.
    Difficult to explain basic economics to someone who refuses to think. Basically, EVERY civilized nation from Rome onward TAXED its citizens to build revenue, SPENT that revenue on public works and the military, and PRINTED money out of usually worthless metal to create a single barter system. And they became prosperous. There is your answer, but I'm sure you still refuse to get it, it's way too much fun to disconnect your brain and pretend you know everything, isn't it?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I say good.


    Because when porkzilla passes, then causes the recession to become much worse, The Democrats and there new spirit of hostility will have no one to point a finger at to blame.


    What idiots.


    So much for this new tone Obama was going to bring to Washington.
    At this point, it's probably the best course of action. Most of the Republicans have made it pretty clear that they aren't going to vote for the bill under any circumstances. So if they aren't going to vote for it anyway, why should they be a part of the negotiating? What can they possibly bring to the table?

    Hopefully the moderate Republicans who have indicated support for a sensible course of action (Snowe, Collins, Specter) will be a part of the final negotiations.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Please quote the first two of these pork projects that you can find in the current bill that don't stimulate the economy. Unless you'd rather admit that you don't have a clue and are just repeating the vitriol from your ditto-master.
    Pelosi"s funds for bird sanctuary, hybrid vehicles for gov't cars, smoking cessation activities, indian alcohol rehab program, 75 million tax cut for movie producers.... Shall I go on or can you go find the bill all by your big boy self? That's just the stuff off the top of my head.


    Once again, since I'm sure your memory didn't catch this: all of these things are good to have during normal economic times, but NOT, I repeat NOT, during a crisis as part of a economic stimulus bill. Is that clear enough for you Pancho? Now go read the fine print in the bill before you make such ignorant accusations.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Please quote the first two of these pork projects that you can find in the current bill that don't stimulate the economy. Unless you'd rather admit that you don't have a clue and are just repeating the vitriol from your ditto-master.
    Ok, now we have it...this guy is just cribbing Obama's statements.

    According to this poster and Obama...all government spending is stimulative, duh!!!

    I mean, if we're going to follow that logic, then why even have private business at all?

    And it looks like he's taking cues from Chuck Schumer, too. Hell, even if the spending is porky, Americans don't care anyway. LMAO!

    So we have Obama denying there's any pork at all in the bill.

    Then we have Schumer telling us that there is, but we mere common folk don't care.

    This is the hope and change I expected....

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Ok, now we have it...this guy is just cribbing Obama's statements.

    According to this poster and Obama...all government spending is stimulative, duh!!!

    I mean, if we're going to follow that logic, then why even have private business at all?

    And it looks like he's taking cues from Chuck Schumer, too. Hell, even if the spending is porky, Americans don't care anyway. LMAO!

    So we have Obama denying there's any pork at all in the bill.

    Then we have Schumer telling us that there is, but we mere common folk don't care.

    This is the hope and change I expected....
    Stop stalling and just pass the bill, if we don't then the terrorists win....errr... I mean the economy will fail. Why do you hate America... I mean errr... Why do you want the economy/Obama to fail?

    Same politics, different words. That's change, right?
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