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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

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    I got lost among threads...thought I was responding in another thread.

    Noentheless, I responded to your question and drew an implication from it.

    Are you dissatisfied?



    I don't expect him to control the Speaker. I would expect him, based on his campaign promise to impose greater transparency, to publicly criticize such non-transparency.
    I understand. Perhaps he tried to reach out and compromise and quickly found out that they weren't interested in compromise and said screw 'em.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I understand. Perhaps he tried to reach out and compromise and quickly found out that they weren't interested in compromise and said screw 'em.
    Perhaps he tried? How about we find out first if a) he did try; and b) whether he was willing to compromise before we go off suggesting that Republicans had frustrated bipartisanship and compromise.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Perhaps he tried? How about we find out first if a) he did try; and b) whether he was willing to compromise before we go off suggesting that Republicans had frustrated bipartisanship and compromise.
    He met with them. Tax cuts were put into the package.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    He met with them. Tax cuts were put into the package.
    Tax cuts were always going to part of the stimulus package. Obama campaigned also on reducing taxes and acknowledged before the election that raising taxes in this economic climate were be harmful to the economy.

    Please do not pretend that the inclusion of tax cuts in this bill represent any sort of compromise on Obama's part, particularly given Obama's complete dishonesty in arguing that opponents were proposing doing nothing.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    He met with them. Tax cuts were put into the package.
    Can you explain what Tax cuts are in this package and provide a source? I haven't seen them or have seen anyone quantify them.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Can you explain what Tax cuts are in this package and provide a source? I haven't seen them or have seen anyone quantify them.
    It seems that there isn't a copy of the bill online.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    It seems that there isn't a copy of the bill online.
    Given everything else, I don't know how this can be surprising.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Given everything else, I don't know how this can be surprising.
    Especially after they said they would post it.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    It seems that there isn't a copy of the bill online.
    You claimed there were tax cuts in the bill. I naturally assumed that you must have a source for your comments. I stand corrected.

    So what is apparent is there are a LOT of claims as to what is contained in the 1,400 plus page bill, but no one has actually spent any time to review it to see what is actually contained in the bill; and we should vote on it before another minute is lost.


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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    According to Change.gov:

    End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent. Obama will work to reform congressional rules to require all legislative sessions, including committee mark-ups and conference committees, to be conducted in public. By making these practices public, the American people will be able to hold their leaders accountable for wasteful spending and lawmakers won't be able to slip favors for lobbyists into bills at the last minute.
    Considering what's been going on, why isn't Obama condemning what Pelosi/Reid are doing?

    He can't control it, but he CAN call for it to stop. He has not.
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