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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Bush took office hoping to unite the parties in a bipartisan government. He went to Congress, met with Democrats, even had them over to the White House for cookies. He asked for their ideas and set up a framework to work together. But the Democrats didn't want to work together. They rejected Bush and then claimed they were "shut out". This president has and continues to make a serious effort to include Democrats. Democrats had decided they didn't want to be included, they wanted to be a government in exile.
    Google, "the new tone".

    I think the big issue here is that we're seeing a repeat of GWB here and yet this is coming from a candidate that ran on a platform of "change". That platform is forever going to haunt him and his actions from here on out when he realizes why GWB did some of the things he did.

    However, whether or not someone wants to play politics this bill is irresponsible. There is little debate on it even among Democrats. Its being rushed through at an unprecedented speed through the House and Senate for a spending bill of this size. The fact that the revised bill that will voted on today (friday 1/13) has not been released to the public should be a huge issue. I mean, this isn't a national security issue. We ought to be able to redress any greviences with our representitives over a bill such as this, shouldn't we?

    This feels like one of those, "bend over and take it, because we know whats best for you" by the government.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Bipartisanship requires compromise. Which group is unwilling to compromise?
    Apparently the Democrats.

    They are the ones arguing that opponents of this bill are proposing to do nothing. That lie was so egregious that even the fawning media called Obama on it.

    They are the ones playing the fearmongering game arguing that we need this bill immediately to avoid another Great Depression despite the economic indicators (e.g., unemployment) suggesting that this recession is milder than those of the last 25 years let alone remotely approaching Great Depression status.

    They are the ones arguing that opposition to this bill is petty political grievances (see Obama).

    They are the ones dearly hanging onto the idea that 60% plus of this money being spent in FY 2010 and later constitutes immediate economic stimulus.

    Come on...you're not going to argue that the Republicans are displaying a lack of bipartisanship and give the Democrats a free pass, are you?

    If so, you're as intellectually dishonest as Pete is.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Difficult to explain basic economics to someone who refuses to think. Basically, EVERY civilized nation from Rome onward TAXED its citizens to build revenue, SPENT that revenue on public works and the military, and PRINTED money out of usually worthless metal to create a single barter system. And they became prosperous. There is your answer, but I'm sure you still refuse to get it, it's way too much fun to disconnect your brain and pretend you know everything, isn't it?
    What stunning irony watching this level of arrogant condescension coming from someone as profoundly ignorant of basic economics they defy the rules of gravity.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Who put the tax cuts in the stimulus bill?
    Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    If so, you're as intellectually dishonest as Pete is.
    This certainly is not news on the forum.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Just another broken campaign promise of Obama. He promised transparnecy, open door meetings. Another lie by Obamam!

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by ted bailey View Post
    Just another broken campaign promise of Obama. He promised transparnecy, open door meetings. Another lie by Obamam!
    Of course no one should be surprised should they?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Apparently the Democrats.

    They are the ones arguing that opponents of this bill are proposing to do nothing. That lie was so egregious that even the fawning media called Obama on it.

    They are the ones playing the fearmongering game arguing that we need this bill immediately to avoid another Great Depression despite the economic indicators (e.g., unemployment) suggesting that this recession is milder than those of the last 25 years let alone remotely approaching Great Depression status.

    They are the ones arguing that opposition to this bill is petty political grievances (see Obama).

    They are the ones dearly hanging onto the idea that 60% plus of this money being spent in FY 2010 and later constitutes immediate economic stimulus.

    Come on...you're not going to argue that the Republicans are displaying a lack of bipartisanship and give the Democrats a free pass, are you?

    If so, you're as intellectually dishonest as Pete is.
    Wow, you got all of that from one question.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Democrats.
    Why?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by ted bailey View Post
    Just another broken campaign promise of Obama. He promised transparnecy, open door meetings. Another lie by Obamam!
    Was he in those meetings?
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