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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hey jihad is only another word for crusade. Not my problem you find it insulting or whatever.
    Why do you think my problem is being offended by your characterization of a moral judgment as a jihad? Do you regularly invent what others have posted?

    I simply noted the absurdity of characterizing an individual's moral judgment about homsexuality as the equivalent of holy war.

    Why couldn't you address why you characterized it as a jihad or saw some commonality there?

    As for the US rights treatment of the homosexual community?..
    What? Who is talking about rights?

    There you go, again, just inventing something that was not stated or even suggested.

    Open your eyes.
    Another invention.

    What is compelling you to invent things that I didn't say or suggest?

    Prop 8, banning books with supposed homosexual references to denying homosexual couples the same rights as hetro sexual couples.. yes the religious right in the Republican party and hence the Republican party are in a jihad against the homosexual community.. or if you would rather have I can use the word crusade if that is less offensive.
    First, Republicans are not singularly or uniquely responsible for passing legislation or voting for referendums deyning benefits to homsexual partnes or banning books. Republicans are not denying rights to homosexual. Republicans are arguing whether such rights exist in the first place and, secondly, present arguments about policy.

    Why do you think that this constitutes something equivalent to a terrorist blowing up ordinary civilians?

    Yes they can, and you still dont find it odd that a man with fake papers got access to the press room for years, and was allowed time and time again to ask snowball questions to among others President Bush.
    I don't find it odd. I find your feigned shock as odd.

    Either there was a monumental cluster**** that was repeated time and time again, or he was "let in" by the people in power.
    Monumental cluster? Why the hysterical characterization?

    I could care less if he was a pro-republican or pro-democrat person. The point is, that the right can not claim lack of bi-partisanship by the democrats when them, themselves for years did very little to act bi-partisan themselves, and in fact "stacked" the deck in their favour and this Gannon guy is just one example.
    Well, Gannon ain't an example of stacking the deck. The WH press corps was hardly comprised of Bush appointees.

    Second, the Republicans can complain all they want about the lack of bipartisanship, especially when the party in control bemoaned the lack of such and campaigned explicitly on the idea that they would reintroduce bipartisanship.

    Do you think that the Republicans lack of bipartisanship when they were in control somehow lets Obama and Co. off the hook for not practicing what they preached for two years?

    So? Bush did the same, when he actually held a presser. He also stacked all events with "his people".
    Link? Evidence at all?

    Of course not. Just more rhetorical vomit.

    I'm not criticizing Obama for preselecting journalists. I was merely pointing out that your complaints about such stacking were a surprise given that you had not at all commented on Obama doing it just this week.

    This is a widely known fact about your dear leader. Again I dont have a big issue with it, but you cant go around claiming that a presser is "open" and free, when we all know it is not. I have not heard that Obama claims this.
    Did Bush ever claim it?

    There you go, again, just inventing crap to make a completely meaningless point.

    Yes finaly you admit that was wrong,
    Wow! Hold the presses!

    I was not admitting I was wrong. I was merely stating the only problem here was the issuance of a credential to someone using a fake name. BFD!

    but you do not go further to ask why it happened.. Someone duped... for years?
    Oh, I have. Unlike you, though, I don't simply invent grand conspiracies to explain how Gannon got in there at all.

    I mean how stupid do you think we all are?
    There you go, again. Why do you think that I believe you are stupid?

    By your claim, anyone with no relation to any media organisation, can get a press pass on a fake name and enter the same room as the US president.... YEA RIGHT!...
    Really? I said that?

    Didn't I just acknowledge that there was a problem with granting a credential to someone using a fake name?

    I thought you applauded me for that?

    But then you turn around and invent the above?

    Guess under the Bush administration, all the terrorists had to do was get a White House press pass to assassinate the US president.. DAMN they are dumb.
    ~Sheesh~ You're worse than Navy Pride and American with this nonsense.

    Anyone else have this problem with Pete?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Exactly. Obama reached out by baming Republicans for this economy, when he had an integral part in the policies that led to the mortgage crisis.


    Pelosi changes house rules that Republicans put in to allow alternative bills to be introduced...


    You mean like that?
    Face it, the reason Republicans weren't included was the Democrats didn't want the details to get to the public and did not want any desent.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because the right on these boards and the Republicans in the media are crying like babies that there is no Bi-Partisanship. Of course there is no bi-partisanship after a decade in the political wilderness.. why should there be? After all it is the Republicans fault that the whole country is in the crapper.
    Pete, do you have a problem reading?

    Didn't you just see me post to Rev that there should have been no expectation of bipartisanship despite the years-long promises of Obama and the Democrats?

    Besides, the Republicans are not the only ones complaining that Obama has clearly reversed himself on a core campaign promise of restoring bipartisanship.

    Blue dog Democrats in the Congress, more than 50, have been hammering Reid and Pelosi for not only shutting out Republicans, but whole swaths of Democrats as the Dem leadership in each chamber have sequestered themselves in drafting legislation.

    Dude, you are in no position here to say much at all.

    You're either lying or engaging in extremely partisan hackery.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama took office hoping to unite the parties in a bipartisan government. He went to Congress, met with Republicans, even had them over to the White House for cookies. He asked for their ideas and set up a framework to work together. But the Republicans don't want to work together. They rejected Obama and then claimed they were "shut out". This president has and continues to make a serious effort to include Republicans. Republicans have decided they don't want to be included, they want to be a government in exile.
    We have another liar.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama took office hoping to unite the parties in a bipartisan government. He went to Congress, met with Republicans, even had them over to the White House for cookies. He asked for their ideas and set up a framework to work together. But the Republicans don't want to work together. They rejected Obama and then claimed they were "shut out". This president has and continues to make a serious effort to include Republicans. Republicans have decided they don't want to be included, they want to be a government in exile.
    Sorry, W.Rock, but bipartisanship does not mean that one party (i.e. Republicans) is forced to give up its principles and suck up to the head hauchos (i.e. Obama, Pelosi, Reid.) on just about every issue, silently watching (maybe even feign cheering on) the other party (i.e. Democrats) pass legislation that they believe is destructive to liberty and the security of their country. Obama and the Democrats must be willing to bend at least some to have true bipartisanship - I haven't seen that yet in practice (only lip service). Now, I agree with all those who have said "screw bipartisanship" and lay your cards on the table. That's what the Dems need to do, although they must fear what the American public would really think if all their hold cards (and their true motives) were exposed!
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you were able to find out about it, I'm sure they were able to find out about it as well.
    After the fact, yes.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Bipartisanship requires compromise. Which group is unwilling to compromise?
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Bipartisanship requires compromise. Which group is unwilling to compromise?
    Democrats.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Democrats.
    Who put the tax cuts in the stimulus bill?
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Who put the tax cuts in the stimulus bill?
    The Republicans, because they actually are interested in stimulating the economy by helping the more productive (i.e. taxpaying) citizens to provide jobs by making investment capital available... unlike the Democrats who just can't seem to get enough power. What a Pandora's box American voters have opened! God help us!
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