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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

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    Come on, Rev. Look, it is neither a surprise nor improper for one party to shut the other out. In fact, it is routine and simply an exercise of legislative power. Look, the Democrats won and they are going to craft the stimulus bill as they want to.

    The Dems are making a strategic political mistake. When this stimulus fails to do any of what the Dems are promising it will do the Dems will not be able to hide under the bipartisanship banner no matter that losers like Snowe, Collins, and Spectre are playing hangers-on.

    I'm actually happy that the Dems are shutting out Republican members. It simply puts the lie to the Obama claims that he's open to bipartisanship and it lets us hang this iron anvil from their necks. The Republicans couldn't fundmamentally alter this spending bill anyway and pecking at the edges only gives the Dems a political advantage.

    Obama promised change, he has shown none
    Of course, on this point, you are correct.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

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    shows how little the Republican run congress actually cared about Bi-partisanship and oversight.
    They possess the same level of care about bipartisanship and oversight as the Democrats do.

    Your point is...what?

    It seems to be that the Republicans are so much worse than the Democrats. You could argue that based on your actual policy preferences, but not when discussing the exercise of political power.

    Look, we have Pelosi very opely declaring that she has no use for bipartisanship...and why would she? She and the Dems believe that they were awarded a broad political mandate.

    I'm not sure why you're playing this little game, Pete.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Your rhetorical vomit has no limits, eh?

    Homsexual jihad? Are you serious? Do you not have any rhetorical restraint? So you see some level of equivalence between Muslims terrorists killing civilians and Republicans possessing a moral judgment against homsexuality? What are they doing to you people there in the EU?
    Hey jihad is only another word for crusade. Not my problem you find it insulting or whatever.

    As for the US rights treatment of the homosexual community?.. Open your eyes. Prop 8, banning books with supposed homosexual references to denying homosexual couples the same rights as hetro sexual couples.. yes the religious right in the Republican party and hence the Republican party are in a jihad against the homosexual community.. or if you would rather have I can use the word crusade if that is less offensive.

    Given that no such jihad exist your feigned surprise is meaningless. The WH can grant a pass to who ever the hell they want to.
    Yes they can, and you still dont find it odd that a man with fake papers got access to the press room for years, and was allowed time and time again to ask snowball questions to among others President Bush. Either there was a monumental cluster**** that was repeated time and time again, or he was "let in" by the people in power.

    Rather, the only thing you care about is that a pro-Republican individual was at all allowed into the WH press room.
    I could care less if he was a pro-republican or pro-democrat person. The point is, that the right can not claim lack of bi-partisanship by the democrats when them, themselves for years did very little to act bi-partisan themselves, and in fact "stacked" the deck in their favour and this Gannon guy is just one example.

    Meanwhile, I have not seen you express any outrage or surprise that Obama prescreens and preselectes journalists before conducting a presser.
    So? Bush did the same, when he actually held a presser. He also stacked all events with "his people". This is a widely known fact about your dear leader. Again I dont have a big issue with it, but you cant go around claiming that a presser is "open" and free, when we all know it is not. I have not heard that Obama claims this.

    The only thing wrong with it was that Gannon was able to successfully dupe a press room official into granting a credential. Beyond that all we have is your vapid rhetorical vomit all over the floor here.
    Yes finaly you admit that was wrong, but you do not go further to ask why it happened.. Someone duped... for years? I mean how stupid do you think we all are? By your claim, anyone with no relation to any media organisation, can get a press pass on a fake name and enter the same room as the US president.... YEA RIGHT!... Guess under the Bush administration, all the terrorists had to do was get a White House press pass to assassinate the US president.. DAMN they are dumb.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    They possess the same level of care about bipartisanship and oversight as the Democrats do.

    Your point is...what?

    It seems to be that the Republicans are so much worse than the Democrats. You could argue that based on your actual policy preferences, but not when discussing the exercise of political power.

    Look, we have Pelosi very opely declaring that she has no use for bipartisanship...and why would she? She and the Dems believe that they were awarded a broad political mandate.

    I'm not sure why you're playing this little game, Pete.
    Because the right on these boards and the Republicans in the media are crying like babies that there is no Bi-Partisanship. Of course there is no bi-partisanship after a decade in the political wilderness.. why should there be? After all it is the Republicans fault that the whole country is in the crapper.
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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for the US rights treatment of the homosexual community?.. Open your eyes. Prop 8....
    You know that the California amendment that banned same-sex marriage was passed primarly on the support of blacks and hispanics that came out to vote for Obama -- right?

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because the right on these boards and the Republicans in the media are crying like babies that there is no Bi-Partisanship. Of course there is no bi-partisanship after a decade in the political wilderness.. why should there be? .
    So... when The Obama and the Dems campaigned on 'changing the partisan nature of Washington' -- did they lie?

    After all it is the Republicans fault that the whole country is in the crapper
    ^^^^
    There exists no better example of rabid partisan bigotry, intellectual dishonesty and willful ignorance than this.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    The Dems are making a strategic political mistake. I'm actually happy that the Dems are shutting out Republican members. It simply puts the lie to the Obama claims that he's open to bipartisanship and it lets us hang this iron anvil from their necks. .
    Obama took office hoping to unite the parties in a bipartisan government. He went to Congress, met with Republicans, even had them over to the White House for cookies. He asked for their ideas and set up a framework to work together. But the Republicans don't want to work together. They rejected Obama and then claimed they were "shut out". This president has and continues to make a serious effort to include Republicans. Republicans have decided they don't want to be included, they want to be a government in exile.

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Come on, Rev. Look, it is neither a surprise nor improper for one party to shut the other out. In fact, it is routine and simply an exercise of legislative power. Look, the Democrats won and they are going to craft the stimulus bill as they want to.

    The Dems are making a strategic political mistake. When this stimulus fails to do any of what the Dems are promising it will do the Dems will not be able to hide under the bipartisanship banner no matter that losers like Snowe, Collins, and Spectre are playing hangers-on.

    I'm actually happy that the Dems are shutting out Republican members. It simply puts the lie to the Obama claims that he's open to bipartisanship and it lets us hang this iron anvil from their necks. The Republicans couldn't fundmamentally alter this spending bill anyway and pecking at the edges only gives the Dems a political advantage.

    If you read back, we agree.



    Of course, on this point, you are correct.


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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    This is probably the closest thread that I've found today to bring up another point: It's not only the Republicans who are shut out of the opportunity to review the so-called "stimulus package". All American political pundits, interested citizens, and also open-minded Democrats (big assumption there) are denied adequate time to read and review the final bill (or recent drafts) that they will vote on very shortly. This is a demonstration of Pelosi's and Read's (likely with Obama's approval) big lie to the American people. Campaign rhetoric had the Democrats promising that all legislation would be out in the open, available to be read and reviewed before voting took place. This bill is being withheld not only from Republican politicians, but from all Americans. All we hear are rumors of a possible healthcare IT package thrown in at a time when the urgency of the need for this so-called stimulus might allow dangerous legislation to sneak in without adequate review. There are many truly moderate Democrats that might vote against some of the individual proposals of the bill if they were separated and clarified to the public beforehand.
    Obama lied... Ambassador Stevens died!

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    Re: Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    This is probably the closest thread that I've found today to bring up another point: It's not only the Republicans who are shut out of the opportunity to review the so-called "stimulus package". All American political pundits, interested citizens, and also open-minded Democrats (big assumption there) are denied adequate time to read and review the final bill (or recent drafts) that they will vote on very shortly. This is a demonstration of Pelosi's and Read's (likely with Obama's approval) big lie to the American people. Campaign rhetoric had the Democrats promising that all legislation would be out in the open, available to be read and reviewed before voting took place. This bill is being withheld not only from Republican politicians, but from all Americans. All we hear are rumors of a possible healthcare IT package thrown in at a time when the urgency of the need for this so-called stimulus might allow dangerous legislation to sneak in without adequate review. There are many truly moderate Democrats that might vote against some of the individual proposals of the bill if they were separated and clarified to the public beforehand.



    Yes this is the most appalling aspect of the Princess Pelosi Regieme.

    Where can you or I go to read this bill in its entirety?
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